nah man... Rakim, Kool G Rap, Grandmaster Flash, Tribe Called Quest,BDP, Kane... i could keep going on allllll spat with emotion before 2Pac came out with his first album...

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no.... All Eyez on Me was the first double rap album, also his only double album that came out while he was alive... he didn't die yesterday man

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you're provin my point^

he made that album in 2 weeks and went Diamond.. lol, i don't wanna hear shit.. lol, Diamond? lol

Datruth29
Black Plague, i'm glad I merked you in a battle..

AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT TO SAY NAS IS SMARTER THAN PAC.. PAC'S MOM USED TO MAKE PAC READ THE NEW YORK TIMES FOR PUNISHMENT..

nah man... you're confused, It isn't that one was smarter than another, reading a newspaper doesn't make you smart, it keeps you updated on current events... and that was kinda 2Pacs style... he was on the current events/street knowledge/ "i'm so gangsta" tip, while Nas was more on the history/drug dealer with a little street knowledge ... they were just differant, one wasn't necessarily smarter than the other...

BREAK DOWN THE PHILOSIPHY OF KILLUMINATI

Killuminati is just an Anti-Illuminati group when you break it down... anyone who knows anything about the Illuminati would be against it... nothing special

AND I'LL TAKE IT THAT YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HIS INTELLIGENCE.. WHO WAS NICOLO MAKIAVELI, TELL ME, IF YOU CAN'T THEN HOW CAN YOU MEASURE EITHER ONE OF THERE BRAIN CAPACITIES..

and i dont know how you can measure "NICOLO MAKIAVELI"s brain capacities when you dont even spell his name right... it's Nicolo Machiavelli... and by this mistake i take it you've never read any of his philosophy books


IT IS ALWAYS THE WHACK MC'S THAT HATE ON PAC.. (I KNOCKED HIM OUT)..
PAC IS UNDERRATED, COZ I FEEL THAT HE WAS THE PINNICAL OF RAP..
... and he feels that Pac was under rated... everyone has their own opinions

BEFORE HIM IT WASN'T AS MEANINGFUL AND AFTER HIM, IT WENT DOWNHILL...

maybe to you, but to people who were listening to rap before 2Pac blew up would all disagree with you... there's plenty of people before and after him that went just as - if not deeper than him, spat with just as much - if not more emotion.... who do you think inspired 2Pac to rap? Kool G Rap, Rakim

HE WAS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL,

No he wasn't.

MOST CHARASMATIC

Negative

MOST POETIC
Debatable

REALIST
I'm hoping you're not talking his Death Row days...

MOST ENERGETIC
Ever seen Busta Rhymes on stage?

NOW MOST POSTHUMOUS MC
True, he released more CD's when he was dead than while he was alive


THAT EVER TOUCHED THE EARTH'S SOIL..
I DON'T CARE WHO AGREES WITH ME..


PAC'S LYRICS WERE TRANSCENDANT TO THOSE WHO REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE DEBTH AT WHICH THIS MAN THOUGHT..

I understand exactly what he's saying... i think "Transendent" is stretching it, but i think he's alright

HE WAS A FUCKING GENIUS WITH A DEADLY FLOW, AND GODLY VOICE.. VERY POWERFUL VOICE.. HIS RHYMES WERE OKAY, YET EMPHASIS WAS ON HIS METAPHORICAL EXPRESSION WHICH POETICALLY SURPASSES THE CAPABILITY OF WHO YOU PEOPLE TRY TO COMPARE 2PAC TO.

Surpasses the capability of who people try to compare him to? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... Who are you to say what Nas,Big,Jay Z, Mos Def, Talib, Eminem (eventhough i'm not a fan), Tribe Called Quest, KRS-ONE, Rakim, shit.... even your boy down the street that doesn't have anything to record with, is capable of? By actually beliving youself with that comment is only showing your ignorance & limiting your own potential...


ON A TECHNICAL LEVEL HE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MUSICIANS EVER, LET A LONE MC. HE MADE WONDERFUL AND TIMELESS MUSIC, THAT A FUCKIN IDIOT CAN'T EVEN DENY..TUPAC IS UNDERRATED IF ANYTHING, HE SHOULD BE FUCKING REVERED...

The same thing should be said about every other great hip hop artist, 2Pac isn't the only one that could be said about


HE WAS THE FIRST RAPPER TO CREATE A FUCKING PHILOSOPHY (KILLUMINATI)..

He isn't the creator of Killuminati, it was something he followed, that's like saying the Wu Tang Clan created the 5% Nation.

HE WILL MANGLE ANYONE IN A FUCKIN BATTLE, EMINEM, CANIBUS, BIG, RAKIM, IMMORTAL TECH I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS..

Chino XL fuckin KILLED Tupac.... exposed him hard.... all Tupac said back was "and Chino XL, FUCK YOU TOO" ... come on...

NOT BECAUSE OF LYRICAL DEXTERITY, BUT BECAUSE OF PAC'S STRATEGICAL GENIUS.

yeaaah... such a strategical genius that he admits to getting raped in prison in one of his songs, for everyone- including his enemys to hear... Such a strategical genius that he got shot 5 times before, and wasn't wearing a vest when he got shot & killed in Las Vegas, when he KNEW he had people that wanted his head on a platter.

WHO PLANS SHIT OUT, AND HE PLANNED TO FUCK BIGGIES LIFE UP TOO, WHICH HE DID..


HE LIED, YES "LIED" ABOUT FUCKIN BIGS WIFE, HE USED IT AGAINST HIM,

How do you know he lied about fucking BIG's wife? How do i know he didn't? That's right... The only person who knows is Faith... you don't kick it with her, or Tupac...

BRAGGED ABOUT TAKING 5 SHOTS AND BLAMED IT ON BIG, THEN USED THAT AGAINST HIM,
...ok
HE USED THE DISEASE THAT LIL CEASE HAD,
damn... frontin like you're all up on who 2Pac was dissin on every song he ever put out, but you dont know he was dissin Prodigy from Mobb Deep?

INSULTED KIM,
huh?


get your facts straight.... where's my receipt?

owned.

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Man shut the fuck up Datruth, you didn't " merk" me, i could rip you anytime in a battle.. when we battled i came half assed, and you were jus less wack than i expected you to be...

And nice breakdown ak wordz, u made truth look like an idiot...

ehh, Well, you cant look at the big picture, cause the big picture got cut short. Sooo, I think he is overrated, based on what people rate him on. Ok, he had great poetry and lyrics. And you could tell he was feelin every song he was into... but a lot of cats think this guy was THE best... No, not at all. He was one of the best at the time, but then his time ended, and now he is just a legend. Along with biggie, you cant really say who was better, because they each had different approaches. And neither of them can be called GOAT, because we have no recent stuff to base them on, and some recent underground shit, and a few mainstream cats have the talent to change your mind about the GOAT.
Thats why he is overrated nowadays... i agree if he was alive he would most likley be... but, hes dead. So,
V/Overrated.

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do your research.

oh and...Da truth... you got fucking OWNED by a k

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do your research.

this is all opinion.. so no one is wrong here.. everyone is entitled to an opinion.. i beleive pac was the greatest to have touched a mic yet.. but thats my opinion.. i agree with truth.. i think pac would have changed with the times liek busta rhymes has.. and would have dominated.. just my 2 pennys

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i don't think Pac is overrated.

Now Biggie was garbage "i'm not from Houston but i Rap-A-Lot"
that's about the shittiest punchline i've ever heard. He was ABC, and gets wayyyyy too much credit.

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"if it makes dollars, it makes cense"

All of that was staight worthless bull.. especially when you judge my spelling, yet your etiquette is horrible, and your logic is tangled.. FIRST, i NEVER SAID THAT reading the NY times makes you smart, it helps you attain literacy tho.. also, Pac was very into history, how dare you only attribute that to nas, you're mixed up.. he read a lot of books, like the Art of War, Confucius, and etc...plus, he atleast he knew who the real Makaveli was (not a damn philosopher).. Nicolo was not a philosopher, he was an Italian Prince, and ruled his kingdom in a revoulutionary fashion... I've read "The Prince", have you? plus you say that I try to measure his brain capacities
(plural, meaning nicolo must have two brains), while you still refer to The Prince, when I was talking about Nas and Pac's intellectual peaks, CAN YOU READ? how did you get confused so quickly? lol.. Everything that you just wrote confused me, and seemed baseless.. you just needed someone to challenge, yet i've made you look like a total fool..

Also to me, yes Pac was the first to spit with emotion, and I stand firm..
and when I say he surpasses the peeps i named metaphorically, you try to lecture me, like I can't have an opinion.. then you say i display ignorance and limit my potential.. that was ignorant, and out the ass.. When I was born, i was born with particular capabilities, and potential is measured from that, not from what is said on a forum, you make me look smart.. stop hurting yourself.
and actually i should of rephrased it, fuck kulluminati, he still created his own way of life from the Thug Life philosophy.. so you are once again tossed down.. and yes, Pac was a strategical genius, suck a genius that he told every he got raped, took 5 shots, and still won the fuckin battle, lol.. next point..

CHINOXL DID NOT EXPOSE SHIT, BECAUSE CHINOXL SUCKS ASS. PLUS HE WAS SO UNDERGROUND THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS UNTIL A YEAR AGO.. SO IT WASN'T EXPOSED TO THE WORLD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN. PAC CRUSHED HIM BY SIMPLY BRUSHING HIM OFF AND GOING AT BIG.

THEN YOU SAID

"FRONTIN LIKE YOU ALL UP ON WHO 2PAC DISSIN ON EVERY SONG"

YOU WRITE LIKE A SLAVE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT CLAUSE, TO EVEN RESPOND TO IT..

SO IN CONCLUSION, YOU HAVE WAISTED ATLEAST 30 MIN. WRITING A RESPONSE TO SOMEONE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW, ABOUT SOME IRRELEVANT TOPIC, AND STILL GOT CLOWNED.. PLUS YOU WROTE DOWN AND COPIED EVERY THING THAT I SAID, MANUALLY (WHICH IS TEDIOUS) INSTEAD OF QUOTING ME.. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE, PLUS YOU'RE DUMB AS ALL HELL FOR DOING IT THE LONG WAY...LMFAO...

YOU'LL NEVER OUT WIT A PAC FAN.. PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT PAC WAS THE BEST IS ALWAYS SMARTER.. LMAO, ROASTED..






















P.S, I WON'T RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE YOU SAY, I GOT MY SPEECH OUT.. LOL

WHOA, and you are much more ignorant than I thought.. actually, killuminati has nothing to do with illuminati which isn't even a DAMN PHILOSOPHY YOU PEA BRAIN..

Illuminati started as a religious sect that came out of Spain.. you are waaaaaaaay off.

Killuminati is an awarness and elevation of the Afrikan mind. . also of physical change, and the destiny change of Afrikan peoples.. it is not Anti-illuminati, and I know about the Illuminati, that has nothing to do with Killuminati. you talk out of your ass a lot huh? Illuminati started from religion, you dumb ASS!
OH MY GOD..

DO YOU READ, OR JUST HEAR THINGS.. I ALSO HAVE 9 MINUTE 2PAC INTERVIEW WHERE HE DOES BREAK IT DOWN. ILLUMINATI WAS NOT MENSIONED ONCE..
HOW MUCH EMBARRASSMENT CAN A MAN TAKE?

I WON'T RESPOND TO YOU, YOU SHOULD BE SMARTER THAN THAT.

idiots, why challenge me anyways?

I AGREE^ BIG L WAS MUCH BETTER..

not exactly, it's the other way around now.. lol.
plus, i blew you out, I never got koed.. you suck ass.. no offense..

ANYWAY, I'M THREW WITH THIS TOPIC, I KNOW THAT PAC WAS THE BEST, AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU AND AK, SO I STAND TALL.. AK, DON'T CRY NOW, I KNOW THAT I WAS BLUNT, BUT HEY, DON'T BE IGNORANT, YOU WON'T GET RANKED ON. PEACE, I'LL SEE YA'LL IN ANOTHER THREAD

Well I agree with da truth and that's my mother fuk'n opinion so respect it.

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