Glanced through your post..


And guess what.....


You are compleatly and utterly wrong.


An MC is a term that stands for "Master of Ceremonys". You dont even have to fucking rap to be an MC. Someone who introduces comedians onto stage for a stand up night is an MC.. Someone whos on stage talking before and after speeches at an awards night is an MC... Shit man, even the narrator of a fucking opera is an MC...


And yes, you guessed it... No matter how bad YOU think a rapper is. If they have ever been on stage entertaining a crowd before. THEY ARE A FUCKING MC.

And furthermore, if they have ever spit lyrics over a beat... THEN THEIR PERFORMING HIP HOP MUSIC....

You my friend........have a lot of learning to do before you go make a complete fuckwhit of yourself again... I recommend untill you actually grow in the brain department, dont make anymore threads.....

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Nos, your examples of who MC's are is what locknes is saying. in hip hop, an MC knows how to connect with the crowd and move em! rappers make crowds dance. big difference! I see what locknes is saying extremely vividly because believe it or not, he's right.

Lock, I feel you man, I'm a product of the original hip hop generation and lived it as it was happening, I know what it's liek to sit on your boom box pumpin out KRS while people break, dresed in their acid wash Jordache's with some pumas and a bomber jacket on. I know what it's like first hand to sit and compare the skills of rakim to big daddy kane and be smiling about the whole thing, that's what I grew up on.

Sadly, you're faced with explaining the difference between the original which existed before most of the people you're explaining it to were even alive. Another chunk of that group had no interest in hip hop at all till 'recently' and by 'recently', I mean within the last 10 years and less. Any refferences to the originals is just a look back to history that they can't relate to since they weren't around to experience it. They "imagine" it, they don't "remember" it.

now how are you supposed to paint the picture when you're stuck using the terms today which have taken on a whole new meaning? The lines are su blurred now.

It's a tough situation for you and the reader. They can't fully relate to you, and the language is so destroyed that you can't explain it to them, it's almost like garbled speech to someoen who's hard of hearing. Neither of which is either of you guys fault.

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Fuck D4L .

You realise this locknes guy is probably born early to mid 90's...

But my point is, what you guys are trying to do is create a subsection of MCing. All it is is a term that is universally recognised as being the label placed on someone who hosts a night of entertainment..

I understand the concept you guys are trying to get accross because I once thought of it like you do.. But then I realised, whats the point?

Its a trivial argument thats based compleatly on personal preference. There are people out there who probably really enjoy going to a D4L concert.. And the little weeners from that group, whether real hip hop heads respect them or not, do get up on stage and host a show's worth of entertainment for their teenie bopper fans...

They are essentually emcees whether cats like it or not.....

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Well didn't you hear about WU-tang member that dissed D4l on stage?

Yes.....

It was ghostface....


He called them poppy bullshit rap or something..

.........How is this relevant to my post..

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Cus when that happened D4L lost alot of its popularity.

I see what you're saying, but don't get it mistaken, I'm not trying to seperate anything. they ARE seperate and ou're used to hearing people try to combine these once seperate things. We all know what MC stands for but it's spoken in the context of hip hop. a Matré De is an MC technically, but it the hip hop sense that master of ceremonies takes on a whole different meaning. a meaning that locknes has illustrated correctly.

as far sa how I feel about this or that, that's irrelevant completely and dosen't comeinto play. The facts are the facts. How I process them is irrelevant, I'm just here to state facts.

btw, the potential age of locknes is a non-issue seeing that he's educated and has a full grasp of the truth. isn't that the point?

peace.

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The difference is, what I'm saying is universally recognised..

What you guys (and how I used to think) is esoteric and only understood by hip hop heads.. Which is fine I guess... And cats like KRS-1 have done songs on this type of shit before aswell so hes definatly an authority on the subject..

Just depends on how you look at the term....

And btw-- I mentioned the age thing because this guy most likly is 'imagining' and not 'remembering' as you put it... Thats all.....................

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what you're saying is universally recognized? by who?
no one I know of who saw it at it's origins accepts what you're saying as truth.
that's the new "truth" perpetuated by an industry who's so greedy that they blur the lines of history to put their products on the same level as the puritins.

you don't have to buy into that. "Hip Hop or Rap" doesn't make [insert artist here] any less or more than they already are, it just gives you the proper name for their category in music so you don't say something innacurate in the presence of someone who knows the facts.

mushing everything together is a dissoving of history and to be honest discrediting one of them to a large degree.

as for lock's age, we don't know how old he is. I'm not gonna speculate what he might have or might not have experienced since his knowledge and perspective is that of an 'old head'. he could come out and say he's 14, or 40, it wouldn't change his knowledge, and that's what matters.

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MC1 (ĕm'sē')
n.
A master of ceremonies.

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Last time I checked, dictionarys said nothing of the classification 'MC' depending on how respected or talented a rapper is...

Like I said. I understand the context your talking in... Its just esoteric and depends on the subjective mindframe of the listener as to what they would classify being real hip hop and not real hip hop.

Which can never be technically correct...

Personally.. Although I understand the concept.. I dont give a flying fuck about the classification of whether an artist is real hip hop or pseudo hip hop... To me that shit is so trivial..... If you like an artist, you like an artist.. If you think an artist is wack.. Then thats your prerogative...

Fact remains... Nobody here is a recognised authority and arguing will get you absolutly nowhere... So why bother?

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