^^^tsss black sheep??? son, the memories hahah. and you're def right, Hip Hop artists back then definitly use to dress pretty flamboyant. You ever seen the video for The Message? Dude looked like Billy Idol's stylist.


yo, you know Terminator X died in April??? Bam gave the eulogy

and you're right man, the percentage of cats on this board that acutually knwo what they think they're talking about is < 3%.

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Hip hop - Rapping(Mc'ng)/beat boxing/break dancing/Graffiti.

Why must people go by talent and say which isnt hip hop and which is. Its just a different form of hip hop. Some rap about society. some rap about Bitches and ho's..some rap about killin niggas and the drug game...some rap about dances. its all rap. which is an element of hip hop.

^^nobody said jack shit about "talent" yo what are you talking about?

somebody could be horrendously wack and still make hip hop, just liek someone can be horrendously wack and still be a rapper

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who said i said anybody said anything about "talent" i was making a statement.

and in all actuality that is basically what is being said when it really comes down to it. people feel that the mainstream isnt "talented" enough to be labled as "hip hop" because the music they make is "nothing but catchy hooks for 13 year olds to sing to".

okay well....thats just saying right there its all about opinions on who has talent...or i should i say who's Hip hop and who isnt?.

I dunno..my views gone stay the same
but Im not really understanding why people pick at the mainstream all the time..when they are doing the same thing people who are underground are doing...Making Rap music for people to relate to....

meh, im more entertained by pop music these days that old school, i like banging music, but still like old school

whaaaaaaaaaaat, why the fuck did i not hear bout him dieing??? how he die??? shiiiiiit thats shocked the shit out of me lol.

hip hop - is a culture, a life style(all the things i mentioned before)

hip hop music is music made to feed that culture(which lets face it people into that are into underground/old school stuff e.t.c)

rap music is what you catch on the mainstream made to entertain the none hip hop fans(people who dont live and thrive off the culture)

notice how i didnt say music and said culture???? there is your difference.

Fuck hip hop. Poetry is where it's at.

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you did. right here:

i don't see how you're drawing lines about "everything i hear is hip hop" when no one said anything about talent dividing music.

here's the skinny, most hip hop artists are more aware and more intellegent than rap artists, so naturally their lyrics have more thought involved and more substance, or as you call it more..."talent".

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Thats just the quote I need to replace the Fat Bastard one on my sig. Thanks.

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yeah man, believe it or not, I didn't hear about it on one single music channel, not one "hit" radio station or none of that and I didn't find out till a month after it happened. he passed of heart failure or something to that effect

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Honestly, no one can be right in this arguement.

It's a matter of opinion. How it starts, what it becomes, is all in the circle of life. Now, it is about the money, whether it should be is just a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't believe money should be our motivation to do something we love because eventually that money will corrupt you and your morals will be gone. I value my creativity, my passion, and what makes me a good person.

The thing I think that sets underground and mainstream apart, is if money is your only motivation or just your main. Cuz everyone wants money, let's face it. You wouldn't do something that cost you money and made you nothing at all, that's not logical. Money is a motivation for me, but not my main one. I want to help people, and music is the best way and I love music.

But ya, basically argueing bout this is pointless. Cuz you won't change someone on how they feel. If you believe money is what you need to survive, then you are very foolish and need to re examine your life.

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rap music is about the money.

hip hop is about the lifestyle.

thats my point.... rap music, do you see ANY of them showing love or showing people the other aspects of hip hop???(beatbox, graff e.t.c)... hell no you dont.

anyway apexx, thats majourly fucked up... sum1 who is more or less one of the original hip hop MC's gets no respect when he passes, that goes to show how the industry doesnt respect the culture e.t.c and only respect the money.

^^yup.

that's the same exact thing I felt. You couldn't even take a moment to honor a dude who made it possible to do what you do?

the industry is completely heartless man.

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Grandmaster Flash-The Message

I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!

Old School Owns....

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OYD MAFIA