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08-30-06, 04:29 AM
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Man, sure you can say that. I can see why you see it as ordered, because I used to have your exact mind state.
Basically, im not gonna be able to change the way you look at it, and we could go back and forth forever saying "Its ordered chaos" "no, its chaotic order" "ordered chaos" "chaotic order" etc etc. How chaotic -_- Ill just make another thread or something.
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08-30-06, 04:30 AM
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Nah man.. I made the statement that there is infact...........No chaos in this universe.
Tell me why you think I'm wrong.......... So far you havnt been very convincing..... |
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08-30-06, 04:35 AM
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Dude cant you see this is going nowhere?
We look at the same thing, and you call it order while I call it chaos.
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08-30-06, 05:04 AM
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I'd like to agree. Unfortunatly I also see your argument is full of flaws... Whereas mine isnt..... |
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08-30-06, 05:07 AM
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What flaws? ...
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08-30-06, 05:57 AM
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Theres one................. |
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08-30-06, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostradamus Infact the biggest logical flaw in your argument is that infact, if the universe WASNT ordered.........We wouldnt be here to observe it.. Where is the proof of that? And what does that even matter? Surely if the conditions were slightly different, the only result would be a slightly different universe. Do you believe that humans are the most "important" thing in existence?
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08-31-06, 02:08 AM
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The proof? The proof is right infront of you. If the enviromental conditions of our planet were even slightly different, life would not have spawned. The conditions of our planet are compleatly ordered, that is how life has been able to grow and evolve over the past few hundred million years. If the universe wasnt ordered, we wouldnt have the earth or solar system either... More fundemental flaws in your ideas? If the universe was chaotic, there would be nothing but matter particles floating aimlessly throughout an endless space. Seeing as we dont have that, nature is obviously ordered. BTW.......Humans importance is compleatly irrelevant in this argument. I do however think life itself is one of the most important things in the universe.  |
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08-31-06, 03:53 AM
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Man, I already addressed that. If the conditions were different, we wouldn't be here. So what? Something else would be. I love the next part of your post.  If the universe was chaotic, there would be nothing but matter particles floating aimlessly throughout an endless space. Newsflash: The universe IS a bunch of matter floating around in endless space. We are on one of the countless rocks in the infinite universe, so what if the conditions are right for life here? On the few planets we have studied, the conditions havent been right for life as we know it. Bad luck, I guess earth just got lucky.
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08-31-06, 05:11 PM
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Wrong.. Our universe is not just matter particles randomly floating around space... Do your research man lmao...... |
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08-30-06, 09:57 PM
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Let me rant to myself...
The only chaotic order I can think up is the mind, which is a complete mess though it does have its own order to it. But the rest of the universe abides by the laws of physics which sprang to existence through what could be argued as either chaotic or order; if the universe had been slightly different in the inflation or any other form of creation --- or a supreme deity had decided to alter order ---, then the laws of physics may have been altered slightly. So is the ability for order to be changed indicative of possible chaos? Or would there be no chaos, only a new order? So you have order, but it can easily lean into chaos with barely a nudge? If however the world was created --- deity, explosion, whatever --- and the singularity or the deity or whatever (let's say Big Bang is correct, just to end confusion) had been slightly different, an outward expansion could've made it so that gravity reversed itself or some such. Am I getting it? |
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08-31-06, 07:26 PM
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OK, then what's space? A bunch of matter collections of different densities and shit floating around.
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08-31-06, 08:33 PM
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You dont seriously want me to explain how the universe works do you?
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08-31-06, 08:34 PM
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Doesn't the Law of Universal Attraction state all objects in the universe are attracted to each other? So aren't these seemingly random particles abiding by this Law and others that predetermine their course? If it was random, the particles would transform into llamas that eat supernovas.
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08-31-06, 08:36 PM
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Yeah exactly.. I dont know why omb doesent get it... There is no chaos in this universe... I think hes getting mixed up thinking chaos has to do with our level of signifigance... |
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