^^ I'd take your side. But nothing is wrong just because you say it's wrong. Wether you'd like to believe it or not there's someone in this world who can present an arguemant better then you. He can discredit what you say, and make it seem as if what he's talking about is 100% right. But that dosn't make him right, that dosn't proove anything, and all it means is that he can argue better then you. That's why I say fuck laws. Something isn't wrong just because you say it's wrong, and others agree. That's why there's no fucking point in arguing something like THIS. I just fucking hate it when people waste their time with shit like this.

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i completely agree. just because you say its right doesn't mean it's right.

and there are somethings that are inaleiable. if you believe in a dichotomy, in that one thing opposes another, you're aleady fooled. to see one side, you only see half the story.

informaton is power, and power has no bias. the person who wields it, does.

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Bro...I would answer all your questions. But, I'm under the impression that you want more than surface answers. So, typing answers on a message board to these thought provoking questions wouldn't do them justice. Also, you can begin to understand God better by reading the bible. I would recommend starting with the book of Genesis...Then, read the book of Proverbs. In the New Testament, read the Gospel of John.

If you want to know the truth, get at me on aim.


PS. I'm assuming you're referring to Christianity. In which case, why are you waiting for people who aren't Christians to "solve your problems"? I think that's your main issue right there. Hit me up or even Past Tense. Implicit also knows alot about the bible. Don't be deceived bro. There are people here who SEEM to know what the bible says but are actually peddling new-age philosophies and false-doctrine.

It's up to you though. Act accordingly.


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Live and let live. If you don't wanna believe in God then don't. If you do then do it. If you wanna be Christian be Christian. You wanna be Muslim be Muslim. You wanna rape lil girls and kill people do it. Call me pessimistic, negative, sick in the head. You live, you die, you make no differance. And even if you make a differance in the world you make no differance in the Universe. And if you make a differance in the Universe (hypothetically considering it's possible) so fucking what? What did you do, make the Universe better or worse for the billions of other people who mean nothing to the billions of other people. Fuck charity. People die, people are poor, it's sad. Stop dwelling on it, and go out and do something with your fucking life. Mehh, i'm too pissed off to even make a decent arguemant with what i'm trying to say. Wtvvvvvvvv

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Fuck it, give money to charity if you want. It's a nice thing to do. I just get too mad and lose my head and get confused. I mean that right there was my opinion but it's not my opinion. Hard to explain. The world is just too confusing, and trying to solve the problems of the world are only gonna make them harder to solve. Ya im just gonna stop typing im going nowhere with this. Go on with your pathetic arguemants and trying to prove people wrong but ultimately doing nothing. Go on...

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oh yeah, also bear in mind, people don't like to look like they've been tricked. to the point that they'll continue to lie to themselves to believe something false is true, JUST to avoid their own selfinduced guilt and shame of suscribing to being tricked.

ive learned a lot since my confirmation teacher screamed and cursed at me man. i couldn't believe someone could come to tears over open ended questions that don't attack them what so ever. but in reality in my search for information, highlighting all these inconsistencies that confused me, i was spreading apart huse gulfs in my teacher's own beliefs. she was borderline on a breakdown and shared with me that her "be-lie-fs" are what tricked her into being happy after she was raped by an uncle as a child. she liked to believe that there was some cosmic justice out there for the persons that wronged her and that they didn't just get away with it, and it really appeased her to believe it. religion is a victims disease. something to help them find comfort in powerlessness.

so, i stopped piercing her with those painful javelins called questions and seeked information my self. by gaining knowledge and coming to painful i'm-not-a-victim realizations i armed my self with true power and became the god that your "god" says i am.

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Exactly, you wonder why religions have extremists (not YOU, just “you” as in a general person) it's because people need religion to be happy and live their life. So anything that tries to discredit their religion is taken as a personal attack to their humanity. That's why people who strongly believe in religion get so damn touchy about it when you ask them questions. They need faith to feel like they actually have a purpose in life. They need it for a lot of different reasons. When you can learn to be independent and not have to rely on anything but your own self to make you happy and positive, that’s when you stop living a lie, that’s when everything becomes clearer, and that’s when you become a stronger person. I believe you can still do this and have faith in religion, but if your faith is all you depend on, and you’re tricking yourself into believing it can’t possibly be wrong and have flaws, you’re never going to be free.

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no, people become extremists because they believe what they feel is true. they believe they are the "chosen ones" and everyone else is an infidel, that everyone is out to get you. that no one else can co-exist. that's a function of egologic, meaning "me vs you" and "if its not with me its agianst me". religion in at its core is ignorance, and teaches you to absorb ignorance and onesided-ism and believe you are above everyone else instead of on the same level as everyone else.

if you hate somebody or some movement or anything, and you know less about their side of the story than you know about your side of the story, you are a fool. if all you see is your side of it you truely are a fool. you commit your self to only one side of a 3 sided story, so you really have no understanding, just an opinion. when you have one side, you have an opinion. when you have two sides, you have a fact. when you have 3 sides, you have an understanding, an acceptance and, dare i say, a peace with it.

knowlege is power. one side is ignorance.

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Zone...are you talking about Christianity?

That's all I wanna know.






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its cool your trying to help him find the truth, but dude
was basically asking how to prove the christian faith wrong...

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Oh okay...that explains it then...I wasn't sure if he was asking for clarity on the bible or the notion of a "higher power"...


So, he's beckoning the right people for help then.






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in truth God doesnt say were Gods or even little g gods, thats the mormons. i've also studied
many "be-lie-fs", but confirmation, thats catholic, sorry to say they do not follow scripture but actually go against it in many ways. but meh

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im convinced you don't know what you're talking about. but then again, if you didnt' see something, how would you know it exists?

the bible states "ye are gods". in the bible, Jesus also states that he is not, nor is of, a man-like god, and all persons on this planet are capable of far greater things than he's ever done. Jesus was a Gnostic who learned under the wise Gamaliel before some members of a pagan cult called catholocism claimed he was theirs. that pagan cult stole the basic fundamental of an infinite and eternal conciousness that is everywher and nowhere, and that is the trait they gave to their "god" who in following with pagan practices, is man-like. gnostics don't endorse that what so ever, neither did jesus, neither did any of the apostles, yet christianity and catholocism claims them as followers of a religion that didnt' exist till AFTER they died.

this is how deep the trickery goes. its one of those things that's so obvious that when you observe it you go "wow, how didn't i see that before?".

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*sigh*

Jesus often spoke in metas as i believe you know. and i as i believe you know
most of the text in the bible is not to be taken literal, nor is it to be read then applied. much of the text has a far deeper meaning that can only be seen after
it has been studied. as yes he did say that but he said that with the meaning only through the father can we acheive far greater things than he.

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no. jesus never spoke in metaphors. you dont understand the simple logic of what he's saying so you think "it must be a metaphor!". if you believe something he's saying is metaphorical and cloudy instead of literal and specific, you suffer from a lack of understanding and even more lethally, a lack of knowledge. the typical thinking of a fool "its too simple, so it can't be so". sometimes, doing something simple is the hardest thing you can do.

now on a seperate note, what you've said before was illogical. by your logic "going to the father" what ever you interpret that to mean, would make you a god and more powerful than jesus, which no one in biblical history has ever said so.. once again, your view comes from a perspective of non-understanding and "half knowledge" meaning you think you get it.

please dude, i gave lots of refferences you can look up to gian true knowledge. if you are really in persuit of knowledge as you claim to be (you're really jsut in persuit of "being right") equip your self with it. look up the side of the people who disagree with you, and agree with you. if you try to filter your input in one position or another, you're a fool.

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