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09-20-05, 09:07 AM
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You Cant Handle The Truth
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NOS you're silly, he's saying "rap is not just a form of poetry"....saying JUST like poetry is beneath rap...it IS a form of poetry, but at the same time it's a form of music...all lyrics are a form of poetry...whether they have lyrical depth or are just something on the surface it originated from poetry...mainstream rappers mis-use it and that's why rap is so severely under appreciated as an ART these days...now EVERYBODY thinks they can rap...i mean damn, Ying Yang Twins and people like that, that shit's just yelling over beats, that's not even rap to begin with...
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that right there proved our point...rap and poetry are the same thing lmao...rap is a form of poetry, no matter how you look at it...REAL rap is a form of poetry...you say "rap isn't JUST a form of poetry" like it being a form of poetry is be-littling rap, when it's not...if anything, to me, it makes it more creidible to those that say rap is an irrelevant part of culture in general rap is creative eXpression, you can define it however you want to but it IS a form of poetry whether you agree or not, maybe YOUR raps aren't of a more poetic nature but in general and as a whole, rap is a form of poetry...not JUST a form of poetry, but a form of poetry...so stop making it seem like it's a such a BAD thing when it's not...
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09-20-05, 11:12 AM
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Sorry sweetheart.. But my idiot alerts are going off the rictor scale at the moment.. Rap and poetry are related.. Rap is not solely a form of poetry as you are trying to say it is.. You contradict yourself and dont even realise it. Your saying I'm wrong to say that rap is only related to poetry and not a form of poetry because according to yourself; rap is simply a form of poetry and cannot be anything bar poetry(THATS WHAT A GENRE IS LADY). Yet your also saying "Maybe your raps arnt more of a poetic nature'.. Look, I got nothing against you.. But your not comming off to me as being the brightest light in the house at the moment.. I'll say this one more time so make sure you got your thinking caps on this time honey.. Rap has a close relationship, some would say has even been influenced by poetry in certain ways. But it in no way falls under a catagory of poetry.. Rap IS a genre of music.. And it IS an origional art form.. Now stop making a fool of yourself please.. Yes I am a rude asshole.. Live with it.. |
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09-20-05, 11:17 AM
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Yo I just realised where your going wrong too..
Your acting like rap is text... AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Wow.... Thats amazing.... Rap is not just about lyrics... Oh my god you are a textee.. I should of known.. ROFL @ this argument now.. |
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09-20-05, 11:21 AM
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when one describes something as being "poetic" that generally refers to there being finess and skill involved in the way the words are put together...
not every rapper uses finess to write raps, therefore they are not poetIC...but that does not negate the fact that rap is a form of poetry... let'sl eave it at this, you go on thinking rap isn't poetry and you'll never be a true lyricist because a true lyricist uses finess and techniQue with words, no matter WHAT their topic is (ex. Jay-Z), people that don't are individuals that talk about nothing and will never be recogniZed in the long run as having done "something" (ex. Ying Yang Twins) which you would ratherbe is up to you entirely...we don't HAVE to share the same opinion, and we obviously don't...but I still believe that rap, at the core, is a form of poetry...not only a genre of music...it doesn't have to fall into only ONE category... you're telling me I'm not thinking, I've opened my mind to your eXplination of things, but I don't feel like you'vedone anything but been argumentative, you haven't actually proven anything to me besides that you like to argue, not that you know what you're speaking of...I have concrete eXplinations, you have opinions...which you have a right to have...but I can't agree with them... rap isn't JUST about lyrics, you're right...it's about beats too, but right now, we're talking about lyrics...some poets say their poems to beats when they perform them, that's another way poetry relates to rap, since you wanna go there... I'm a textcee?...I rap for real and am pretty much signed to a label down here where I am kid, hahaa...
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09-20-05, 11:39 AM
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Idiot..... Complete idiot..... With a dash of ignorance..... Let me translate your argument to what it is without all the babbling on.. Quote:
Listen... When you break out of your little text fantasy land and actually make rap songs... You will soon discover, rap is not built up of only lyrics... There are a lot of elements that make rap and they are all employed to generate the music that is played in your sterio... When that earth shattering day comes, then you will understand my point and why rap is simply related and not a catagory of......poetry. I agree... Stop the fucken argument.... You dont know what your talking about.... |
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09-20-05, 11:57 AM
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OMG see, I never insulted your intelligence when I came back with my piece did I?...so why must you come in here saying that I'm stupid and IGnorant?...
I used Jay-Z as an eXample of a person that uses finess and techniQue, in the punchlines he uses he incorporates, metaphors and wordplay and many other techniQues that are ALL related to poetry directly...so what you're talking about, I don't know... poetry isn't all about love and things like that, obviously you've never red REAL poets besides the ones you see on boards and shit that cover the SAME topics...Langston Hughes poetry was political, just like some rap is...it's all about how you cover a topic..."FUCK THE POLICE" was political, they just chose to eXpress it in a more angry way than the "average" poet would have, but it's STILL a form of poetry!!... you're getting all fired up and emotional like I don't understand that there's more to rap than just lyrics, I understand that, but my point is that the lyrics in rap music are related to poetry, not the music behind it... you know what, FUCK it, rap IS only about lyrics...if you have a beat, it's just a beat, what makes rap RAP, is the lyrics...and lyrics, no matter what genre of music they're in, are aform of poetry... maybe some other people on here live in this "textcee" world you're talkin' about but I don't...I haven't done text in forever, I just don't post tracks here any more cuz it's pointless... P.S. again, quit trying to be-little other eople's intelligence in your fight to argue your point, it's NOT needed...you only resort to such unintelligent elementary commentary when you feel like you're "losing" the argument...and as I said before, it's not about winning or losing to me...I just want you to open your eyes and see that you're NOT 100% correct all the time, and this is one of those times you're not correct...
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09-20-05, 12:21 PM
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Listen.. You are wrong.. I dont feel as though I am losing at all because the points your making are simply ignorant and idiotic.. I understand what poetry is just aswell as you do, maybe even a little better.. I have some poetry in my sig for christ sake and you still say "Oh you must of just only read net heads poetry you obviously dont understand what poetry is"... ^IDIOT STATEMENT NUMBER 1.... Secondly I will say again... When you step out of your fantasy land and actually make rap music... You will start to understand the vast amount of production involved in making good rap music... Rap is not ONLY about lyrics, the first rap was fucking samples from a DJ and small freestyle rhymes... Ya rock and ya don't stop and this is the sounds of DJ Kool Herc and the Sound System and you're listening to the sounds of what we call the Herculoids. He was born in an orphanage he fought like a slave fuckin' up faggots all the Herculoids played when it come to push come to shove the Herculoids won't budge The bass is so low you can't get under it the high is so high you can't get over it So in other words be with it.. That my friend is 1970's rap where it all began.. They wernt poetry writers that did all this bullshit that most fuckwhit pseudo interlect hip hop heads try and pin onto that great enigma of "the birth of hip hop"... It wasnt some fucking all out for the lyrics type mumbo jumbo your acting like.. He damn well was into graffiti, his sister asked him to host a party.. he grabbed a bunch of cd's that he liked and hosted a big party on the streets, 25cents admission and made $300 wham bam thankyou mam.. That was the birth of hip hop... FREESTYLE RHYMES HOSTING A PARTY... NOT WRITTEN LYRIC 'POETRY' you fucken clown.. There has since been connections made that rap can be related to poetical lyrics.. Some rappers flourish on this fact... But rap is still a form of music over anything else.. Influenced and related to poetry YES.... A catagory of poetry... Get a fucking brain... Like I have said previously... Go ask a well known poetry publisher if you can drop some rap lyrics in a poetry book because you feel that rap is a catagory of poetry.. He will ask you if youve had any labotomys recently... Fucken downys round here please woman.. |
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09-20-05, 12:54 PM
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OMG just because I said rap is a FORM of poetry doesn't mean that EVERY poet can rap, but I believe every rapper has the capacity to become a poet...saying anything otherwise is like saying you can bake a cake with eggs in it and then reverse the process to take out the eggs...the quote in your SIGy is a poem BY A RAPPER!! which proves the point I just made and have been trying to make...
I'm not living in a fantasy land, and rap IS about lyrics...but I wasn't talking about rap as a music, I was speaking specifically about rap lyrics junk monkey, gEEEzus... I'm not denying the fact that rap music is a genre of music, by definition it is and freestyles will always just be freestyles and no, they're usually NOT of a poetic nature, it's usually just random thoughts with rhyming words at the end...but thought out WRITTEN lyrics for the composition of a song IS related to and can be considered a form of poetry... thisis getting nowhere, you'renot comprehending me and giving any leeway to the fact that I just MIGHT be at least a little bit right cuz you're too bust hitting yourself with the "I'm right I'm right I'm right" hammer...I'm gonna let you wallow in your un-bending ways while you keep on keeping on...not everything is black and white, especially not when it comes to creativity...rap isn't just music, it (like any music with written lyrics) is a form of poetry... yet here, I digress...someone else argue with him, I'm through cuz he's not listening... P.S. rap still isn't rap without the lyrics, or it'd just be beats
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09-20-05, 01:12 PM
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Sweetheart..
I have listened and taken in everything youve said. Aside from the vast amount of contradictions and dancing around issues trying to act like you know something I dont.. Your not making correct assumptions. Full stop... Time and time again I have proven you wrong... You tell me freestyles arnt poetry which basically means you are disqualifying it as part of rap itself.. You tell me rap is all about lyrics.... Therefore I can only guess any songs you make arnt going to have beats or any form of production involved in the creation process and it is simply going to be you rapping over silence... Listen... When you grow a brain... You wont argue with me on this issue... The reason it is going round and round is only due to your own complete ignorance and lack of reason... Did you even notice Ysdat taking in my posts and agreeing with me? Do you even notice ANYONE elses posts appart from your own? |
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09-20-05, 04:05 PM
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Whys That?
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Glanced thru the above posts'.
Nos, poerty doesnt have to be pre written,there are no boundrys for poetry as is there are no boundrys for rap. L. Veracity since making this thread I have done alot of study and come to the conclusion,rap is a form of its own self expression with a relationship to poetry IF and WHEN the writer decides it to be poetical. Not every song is a form of poetry like it should be,50 cent the marketing gimik is no were near poetry. Poetry consists of creativity originality emotion and all round love for what your doing,that is were I will take rap music back to with a present day twist. |
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09-20-05, 04:13 PM
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Yssdat hates AIM cause he's a faggot.
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09-20-05, 04:14 PM
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Rap itself consists of creativity; origionality; expression and so on..
Its the music were making, the lyrics are only part of what makes the whole. Anyway.. Fuck defining rap... Just bloody well make it how you enjoy making it.. I feel thats the best way to do it.. |
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09-20-05, 04:16 PM
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Whys That?
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yeh, To me there is no boundry for rap, its to be made how the fuck you the creater wants to make it. Similier to poetry
But if your wanting to sell your music,then you obviously have to appeal to other people. I make my music for me,fuck everyone else. |
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09-20-05, 04:18 PM
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I make my music for other people..
But I do that because thats what I enjoy doing.. I'm not selfish...(atleast sometimes) |
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09-20-05, 04:31 PM
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Whys That?
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yeh, when it comes to my music and I say I make it for me,thats simply so I keep y essence about it and dont sell out and make that shit that anyone can do. I know what Im making now is being enjoyed cause Ive had people prop me and say they enjoy the track.
The way I see it,if i make music I like, im just like every other REAL rap head out there,so its only normal most will like it aswell. I aint saying everyone will like it,shit,some wont even understand it. but I dont give a fuck if they dont like it,im not making it for them, Im not making it for record sales,Im not making it to be number one int he country. Look at most number ones,they make a musical gimick just to sell it, and I bet the rapper wished he could make the cold hearted shit and be number one. But no,its not politically correct to be numkber one and express your feelings at the same time. I guess what im saying is I shall never seel out with my music, if it aint being liked so be it. Also I know I gotta be able to generate sales for any label to look at me, that why Im staying independant, the cats im with now and just like me. They asre a independant crew with enough knowledge to take them were ever the fuck they want music to taker them. Fuck seeling out just to impress little girls who will purchase the album,the real are going to feel what i have to say.The fake will go run and hide and fall off the edge of this planet. |
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