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Old 03-13-06, 05:34 PM   #61
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I take the easiest path of a conflicted individual...God created the first organism. Do you know where animal a came from? The ocean, volcanoes, a complex combination? Or is that unknown?
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Old 03-13-06, 05:35 PM   #62
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It's simple. Darwin didn't renounce his theories. You know, God once stated, "I'm sorry I even made mankind." That's actually IN THE BOOK OF GENESIS!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, evolution is not a theory, but the underlying principle of biology. On a micro level, evolution can be proven in laboratory tests. On a Macro level, that's more speculation than proven. But, you can't argue with fossil records and DNA.

Read his book, "Origin of Species." Until you read that, you don't know what Darwin believed or didn't.

so god is sayin we are all mistakes that makes me feel good (not)
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Old 03-13-06, 05:37 PM   #63
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Charles Darwin recounted in his biography of his grandfather Erasmus Darwin how false stories were circulated claiming that Erasmus had called for Jesus on his deathbed. Charles concluded by writing "Such was the state of Christian feeling in this country [in 1802].... We may at least hope that nothing of the kind now prevails." Despite this hope, very similar stories were circulated following Darwin's own death, most prominently the "Lady Hope Story", published in 1915 which claimed he had converted on his sickbed. Such stories have been propagated by some Christian groups, to the extent of becoming urban legends, though the claims were refuted by Darwin's children and have been dismissed as false by historians.

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...until_his_death

I have to do this paper anyway, may as well get in a good few arguments. It does do me good to think that someone's watching over me...though under other circumstances that'd be awkward. I suppose that's one of the pros of Christianity, the feeling of acceptance and understanding. Still, I usually take on a more skeptical look at life and consequently fall into a brooding state...I don't truly believe Darwin did denounce Evolution on his deathbed, and historians have discredited the thought. I'll investigate...

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Lady Elizabeth Reid Hope (née Cotton1; December 9, 1842–8 March 1922) was a British evangelist who is generally believed to be the Lady Hope who claimed in 1915 that she had visited the British naturalist Charles Darwin shortly before his death in 1882. Hope claimed that Darwin had recanted his theory of evolution on his deathbed, and accepted Jesus Christ as a savior.

Charles Darwin's family denied the story, and insisted that Lady Hope "was not present during his last illness, or any illness." The Lady Hope Story is generally recognized, even by many Creationists, to be false — or at least unverifiable — and if true, probably exaggerated. The story remains a popular urban legend, even though it stands in sharp contrast to Darwin's published and known views about Christianity.

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Not to mention Jesus saying "this is my flesh..eat it and so on..this is my blood..drink it and so on". God is telling people to eat flesh and drink blood. Why?


Yeah.I Think Jesus Meant Sybolically To Represent His Sacrifice To The World.
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Old 03-13-06, 05:41 PM   #65
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I take the easiest path of a conflicted individual...God created the first organism. Do you know where animal a came from? The ocean, volcanoes, a complex combination? Or is that unknown?



lol..yea...Animal A came from where all other lifeforms originated, in the primordial soup. Lightning strikes caused ammino acids to form and connect to make complex lifeforms. Bacteria were the 1st forms of life follwed by more complex multi-cellular organisms. This is evolution in its grandest sense. This is the conflict between religion and science, if there even is one. I believe God made "something", but that "something" evolved over the eons.

Man...lemme get my pizza out the oven so I can stay on this


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so god is sayin we are all mistakes that makes me feel good (not)



no not all of us....just you
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Old 03-13-06, 06:20 PM   #67
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^^^actually...God said "I regret making mankind" before he destroyed the world for its wickedness.


In order to get God to say that, they must have been doing some pretty EFF'd upp stuff.
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" So, for Compose to single that out was just a cheap shot at me. The bible says ANGER is a sin, and profanity. All these sins, and yet we focus on homosexuality. Gee...what a surprise.

...I didnt even post in this thread, you're confusing me with someone else
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I see Q did a lot of posting, but I will just say my piece.

For most of those it is saying, those who eat my flesh and drink my blood in a symbolic way will have eternal life. Basically, those who believe in me and what I am will have eternal life.

In communion the bread and wine symbolize the body and blood, I mean, we can't just tear apart someone for communion, there wouldnt be anyone left.
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LOL @ The bible..........

only thing glorifed about the bible is the dude who made it all up...

he must be laughin like fuuuuck in his grave.


That'd be a whooooooollllllleee lotta laughin people. Some of the "history" (and I say that purely tounge in cheek) in the bible is a retelling of other "histories" from other books and events in other religions that didn't even happen in the time span they state it did. Like the birth of Jesus. Or the name "jesus" which wasn't even his name.

Virtually EVERYTHING Paul states in the Bible is completely fabricated. He never even MET Jesus!! So...how could he have been an apostle? The telling and the painting of the supposed "Last Supper" is also false, since Paul is pictured and described in the presence of Jesus, whom he never met in his life. There's so many lies and contradictions of events in the bible it'll make your head spin like the Excorsist.

Don't feel for a moment that the human ego isn't so selfish as to immortalize it self in a book that people were going to pass along for generations. Which reminds me, time to make another thread.

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The saying, "I could just EAT YOU" is a Freudian type of reference to cannibalism. And, what are you babbling about on abortion? This thread was about whether or not God required or allowed cannibalism. And, I stated clearly that there is no reference in the bible where God directly tells someone to eat Human flesh. Jesus' serving of the Last Supper was symbolism, or else he would have cut himself and served his blood.


That's not a freaudian refference to anything. People are perfectly concious that they are making that statement, which is a common phrase in our scociety. Other civilizations don't go around saying that lol.

And I'm still looking to see which comunities PRACTICE cannibalism and do it out of compliment as you suggested.

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^^^actually...God said "I regret making mankind" before he destroyed the world for its wickedness.


In order to get God to say that, they must have been doing some pretty EFF'd upp stuff.


Where did "God" destroy the world that we still live in?
Where specifically does it say that god says it regreted making man kind?

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28And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.

29So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.



^^why is everyone avoiding adressing this? Dude said it's okay to boil my son and eat him, and then did so. That's normal conduct to you?

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you don't know that whole story, the King is the King of a city that has little to no food....and there is a begging woman on the street as the king is passing and she says lets eat your son today and mine tomorrow, and they ate the kings son which was going to be killed anyways for working with a man of god, Elisha, and then the woman hid her son..which was also to be killed.

Elisha told the king God will feed them tomorrow if they be patient and he told him they will see food but they were to not eat, but the king had ate his son and then some drama happens GOD makes the Syrian camp hear noises thinkin it was an army coming to kill them and they run for their life leaving everything behind and so on... and then the next day(the tomorrow Elisha was talking about) the King hears of all the stuff left behind and he forgets about punishing the woman for not upholding her part of the deal and the king and the people of the city go to the Syrian camp and they take all the food and go back to the city and when The King is at the gate returning to the city Elisha is there and says "I told you so"= translated to modern times..

and GOD says "Now if I should make windows in heaven, might such a thing be? And he said, Behold, thou shalt see it with thine eyes, but shal not eat thereof, and then the Kind dies=basically that right there is God saying i told you not to eat until today and he says if you were in heaven and could see down to earth would you be able to follow my directions, and the king says yes because he could see it but couldnt eat it....

then it tells of Elisha talking with the woman and blah blah blah

Facts I left out
-The King also had her son's head cut off
-Elisha brings the woman's son back to life "restored his life" as they say

Apexx you would be a great person to have Bible study with, I haven't read the Bible in a while until now and I thank you for that



Ok, so basiclaly, you're saying that the KING was a cannibal, which we alredy knew. But what you're ignoring is that you're saying that the King was THAT hard up for a meal that he boiled his own son?

I highly doubt it.

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Yeah.I Think Jesus Meant Sybolically To Represent His Sacrifice To The World.


What's symbolic in "eat my flesh and drink my blood, for my flesh is just as any other meat and my blood is as any other drink"?

Jesus wasn't the type to try to confuse anyone, he spoke clearly. It's their own misinterpretation of his statements that confuse people, like taking meaning from something he never stated. If he wanted you to eat some bread and drink some wine, he'd have said "eat bread and drink wine, and pretend it's my body and blood". Wafers are not bread. crackers are not bread. Grape Juice is not wine. Grape Kool-aide is not wine. So how is anyone paying dues to this statement if they aren't even consuming the actual food they say he said to consume!!

Especially when that "food" is his own body in the literal sense, as illustrated whne he states "heat my flesh, for my flesh is just as any other meat, and my blood is just as any other drink". That dosen't say "eat this bread" nor "drink this wine".
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Ok, so basiclaly, you're saying that the KING was a cannibal, which we alredy knew. But what you're ignoring is that you're saying that the King was THAT hard up for a meal that he boiled his own son?

I highly doubt it.
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People did crazy shit back then, just like when they say animals eat their young sometimes....

and i don't know if its true or not but i once heard of some girl who's husband payed no attention to her he payed all of his attention towards the baby and she killed the baby and fed it to him with out him knowing i doubt that shit.....but still people do some crazy shit...

but your thing was why does the bible condone cannibalism....and it doesn't.....never did it say it was ok to eat people...and that king died for what he did anyways...and the people got food so they didn't have to be eating eachother...and like LF said it might have been a way to punish themselves i don't know the whole story of that group of people...
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Where did "God" destroy the world that we still live in?

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and about what you said right there ^^^

you ever heard of 'The Flood', Noah's Ark.....he flooded the world killing all the people because they were so wicked except for Noah and his family and 2 of each animal....and they lived and were told to restart basically
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Ok, so basiclaly, you're saying that the KING was a cannibal, which we alredy knew. But what you're ignoring is that you're saying that the King was THAT hard up for a meal that he boiled his own son?

I highly doubt it.
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People did crazy shit back then, just like when they say animals eat their young sometimes....

and i don't know if its true or not but i once heard of some girl who's husband payed no attention to her he payed all of his attention towards the baby and she killed the baby and fed it to him with out him knowing i doubt that shit.....but still people do some crazy shit...

but your thing was why does the bible condone cannibalism....and it doesn't.....never did it say it was ok to eat people...and that king died for what he did anyways...and the people got food so they didn't have to be eating eachother...and like LF said it might have been a way to punish themselves i don't know the whole story of that group of people...


Man, you're going way off issue now. Talking about naimals eating their young and likening it to cannibalism is unrealistic seeing that animals eat their young to preserve their food source by having one less mouth to feed. You're speculating now, not speaking facts. I'm looking for facts.

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and about what you said right there ^^^

you ever heard of 'The Flood', Noah's Ark.....he flooded the world killing all the people because they were so wicked except for Noah and his family and 2 of each animal....and they lived and were told to restart basically


AHAHAHAHAHA. For starters, "The Great Flood" didn't destroy the world lmao ahahahahhaha. Think about it man...seriously..if noah suppsoedly took 2 of every animal (even those that DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE CLIMATE THIS IS SAID TO TAKE PLACE - Like Polar Bears, Seals, Penguins, etc) on his Ark and it was packed so tight that there was only room for him, not even the exotic breeds of plant life that outnumber humans and animals alike. - then where'd everyone else come from? There's no 2 humans on the ark homey. No wat the flood could have "destroyed the world" like you say it would have.

Think about it man. Seriously.

Secondly, Unlike the Flood of Egypt, There are NO high water marks on monuments (like the one on Sphynx) ANYWHERE to prove that ANY flood occured ANYWHERE!!!!

Third, how could the flood cover the entire world. Think about it man. Floods come form bodies of water (vapor or not) moving to new locations and unleashing the torrent. That's a movement of water. Where would all this extra water come from to flood the entire globe?? Water never leaves the earth, it evaporates and falls again as rain, so where did this extra water get shipped in from to flood the earth?

And finally, lets pretend that this flood happened, that wouldn't have destroyed the earth. That would have (supposedly) killed all the life on the planet shor to what was on the Ark. Not destroy the earth. That'd be like saying you taking a bath would be destroying your body, which is...UNpossible.
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