Originally Posted by Terumoto

Mainstream is mainstream... That's all there is to it. Half of the people on your list are not mainstream anymore. They were in their time, but now they aren't. Tupac? Biggie? Wu Tang? I love those artists as much as the next guy, but they sure as fuck aren't mainstream. Mainstream is what is in the mainstream RIGHT NOW, not what was in there 10 years ago.

I barely ever listen to underground rap. I don't produce rap music, except for when I sometimes make beats. And with all that stuff you were going on about to do with "CEO labelling" or whatever, you completely misunderstood what I said to you in my last post. I'm not going to tell you again, because it's something that I don't think you will understand.

I stand by what I said... You know next to nothing about music. The fact that when I said that to you, you took "music" to mean only rap music proves my point. If you broadened your musical horizons, you would start to get a sense of what is good music and what isn't. This has nothing to do with whether people like the music or not. It's something factual, objective, good music has certain elements and is put together in a certain way, it is of a high quality.

Music overall is up to personal taste, which can't be argued with, but that doesn't mean the music people like is good music. What if you met a guy whose favorite song was some shitty kick drum sound over and over again with a recording of a man yelling over the top of it. You'd be like, "hey man, that music is fucking stupid. It's terrible, it's not even music..." and he would say to you, "fuck you, I love this music." Just because he likes it, doesn't make it a good song musically.

It's the same with someone like 50 cent. Factually, there is nothing special about the music he makes. He is an average artist who happens to have a marketable image that is marketed well. The fact of the matter is he is average, he makes average music. Compared to someone like Tupac who had an extraordinary style, 50 cent is nothing. It's the same in any genre. There are a lot of electro producers that make average songs that sell well... It doesn't mean the music is actually good. On the other hand you've got groups like Daft Punk, who are geniuses in their field. They can make GOOD music, good as in of a high quality, put together skillfully, creative, not the same shit with a different smell.

You don't have to like a song to realize that it's good. You don't have to like rock music to realize that led zeppelin are talented, you don't need to like classical music to realize that Chopin is a good composer... I'm telling you that you don't know anything about music. You go around thinking that the music you like is the most amazing music in the world just because it happens to be the style of music you enjoy.

Originally Posted by don cardyac

^lol.

but 4real. what people dont know is that the best rappers 4real aren't on tv, there not on radio, there not evn underground. but the real best emcees are in.....







the colleges & high schools. i dare anyone of y'all to go to a high school and i bet that u are going to see some of the most gifted musicians that'chuve ever heard or seen. cuz in the streets erybodys tryna be hard, on tv & radio erybodys tryna be commercial and on these albums the labels do more work & editing than the actual artist prolly do. but in the school invironment erybody pretty much does them creatively. i've grraduated already but i know that when i get my label off the ground i'mma recruit some high school talent cuz thats where its at and erybody is true to there craft.

Originally Posted by SerB

buddy thats so stupid, and its making me mad how these sheeps are walking in this thread and agreeing to this.

are you kidding me? the kick dum shit you said was so stupid, what music has to have a complex beat or lyrics to be good? like no it cud be simple and better than any new complex shit, but thats just what the example you gave.

honestly what ur saying is, what you enjoy is good music, and the bad music you dont like is bad music.

and were in this thread was I talking about another Genre? dude you cant just bring rock or something in here. as I'm a hiphop head, i know little on other genre, that doesnt take away my knowledge on hiphop.


and now on the mainstream, it doesn't matter when they were mainstream, when they were mainstream made them a mainstream artist. people know them as a mainstream artist. even though it was the past it still made them that, and some still have stayed mainstream artist to this day.

like today mainstream isnt all that garage you say it is, off T.V mainstream artist are making GREAT music, the shit you see on T.V is majority commerical in my mind, thats what alot of artists do, but good mainstream artist like Lil wayne dont need to do that.

Originally Posted by J Summers

thats your opinion..thats not a fact... you dont set the standard for whether and album is above or below average... if someone thinks this album is the greatest album ever than so be it... that is there opinion and there not wrong for thinking that...someone who may not even like rap may think this album is complete trash and they are not wrong for thinking that... you can't say it is a fact when in all reality what you were saying is common sense that it's just your opinion

Originally Posted by J Summers

thats your opinion..thats not a fact... you dont set the standard for whether and album is above or below average... if someone thinks this album is the greatest album ever than so be it... that is there opinion and there not wrong for thinking that...someone who may not even like rap may think this album is complete trash and they are not wrong for thinking that... you can't say it is a fact when in all reality what you were saying is common sense that it's just your opinion

Originally Posted by Lysol

But Eminem is the best.

Originally Posted by SerB

this is sad, you prove my point on how dumb some of you guys are on this site. sad thing is someone will come in and agree with you too.

so yeah ehh, age really detemines music? if anything the older the better with the more experience they go through.

Originally Posted by don cardyac

i never said that age determinds music. i'm saying that high schools and colleges are a place where you can find some of the most talented people. i'll even include prisons. and places like that. cuz some of the most talented people never get heard.

theres dudes out in the streets that can shoot ball better than jordan, theres people locked up who can paint better than picasso and there sure as hell are undiscovered people who can rap way better than ur favorite rappers. popularity does not mean that'chure better at something, it just means that'chu came in contact with other famous people earlier. hell, master p is more rich and popular than lil wayne is but that sure as hell dont mean that he's a better rapper. well.... to u it prolly does but in reality it dont.

Originally Posted by SerB

this has to be the dumbest thing I've heard.

I'm hoping no one agree's with this kid.









and Turm, music isn't a science, music is a art. even you should know that, and with a art everyone is gonna look at it differnet. there isnt a final way to judge a album by saying "average" and shit.