So he could be herbed?

Yes, it may have been a rhetorical question, however... it implied that that is what I said. There is the difference- My retort was directed at those who outwardly profess Americas supremacy. You cannot deny these people exist. But I did not say all Americans, I said too many Americans.
As for apparently sounding arrogant pointing out flaws that Australia indeed has, well... Im not telling people Australia is the most powerful Nation in the World, Australia controls the Worlds Political Arena, Australia is above and beyond any other Nation.. am I? If I were, then by all means, Id be an arrogant ass... (omg, this means that Americans saying it about the States makes them arrogant! Who would have thought... hmmm wasnt that the message in my original thread?).
Thanks for proving my point on that.
Trust me Jes, I am aware of Australias flaws, I live here.
And yes, my original post was made out of anger. Because Im sooooo tired of this attitude. And Im not alone, Australia isnt alone. Its unfortunate, because America is a beautiful country, I thoroughly enjoyed living there.
As for the UN, I am familiar with the UN. Combined with my studies, and having an ex boyfriend in the American military, still serving in Iraq this day, whom I am in regular contact with- I do know a bit about whats been going on over there the last 12 months. I just couldnt be half assed typing the information when I can paste it from the UN site. Im not even going to bother replying to your statement regarding how many times the UN's decisions have been dis-regarded, because I believe you to possess enough intelligence to know that two wrongs don't make a right.
And please, re-type that cliche so it makes sense.

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If your going by implications then you're missing the point. Of course there are many Americans who are arrogant. I haven't avoided that fact, I even said I agreed with you on some accounts. Like I said some of your statements have weak arguements, in my opinion and thats what I'm contesting. I really don't understand why we're arguing mainly about the UN, I mean my second post referrs to more than that and you didn't bring any of those issues up. Either you agree, or you don't know enough to discuss. The UN is the least of the issues. You talked about rascism in America, homelessness, etc. And these issues were the ones I'm really debating, when they don't exist anywhere else you let me know.

Your arrogant because of your first post, no matter if your talking about Austrailia, but your "better than thou" attitude. I could give two shits what you feel for America, I probably feel the same, but when you make hypocritical statements believe I'll be on you about them.

"you see the specks in others eyes, but can't see the log in your own."- I figured if it didn't make sense you'd go to a site and cut and paste it's meaning...

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if i gotta pick a position, i'mma pick missionary."

^lol, word
canada is america jr. and they get free health care
canadians are hella dope, eh?

Is there another country that can compare with the international aid provided by the United State? NO! Not by a long shot. We are hated in the world for various reasons, our current hate from the Islamic extremist are more substantiated in our equality for woman than any thing else. How can a country that oppresses women and denies freedoms not hate the US? In this country a woman can become president, and it is very likely that we will see one in our life time. Do you even know how much a threat that is to the extremist? A huge one, one they can not accept. The west in general is hated by most the world, female leadership is very apparent and growing. Heaven forbid that the equality movement hit the middle east. Look at the Arab worlds biggest enemy Isreal, in the backyards of the arab community Isreali woman are free and treated as equals. Isreali women are fre to chose who they have a relationship with, where they get thei education and every other freedom a woman has in the free world. Yet right next door, often in the same community Muslim women are hacked apart by male family members because they had a relationship with a guy the family considers unworthy. Often these "honor killings" as they are called in that part of the world go unpunished, in few cases some murderers are giving a six month sentence. Come on you can hack apart your sister because she is seeing someone you don't want her to. How can we look monsterous as a Nation? Hate for america and the west is deeply planted in the realization that freedoms breed awareness. Someone who is aware is a great threat to the oppresive fabric of "religous rule"... In a counrty were you can be executed for praying in public (christain prayer), and this does not only imply on the street, but also a group prayer in your own home... Why are we seen as the root evil here, when it's obvious that evil is seen and heard in every unspoken word of those nations...

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FUCKA BABYLON BANDIT!!!

^bounce you have smoked yourself retarted?
Im a lay some facts down on you
we give .001 percent of our budget to international aid
and do you think that when we gave weapons to Iraq to wipe out the kurds in the 80's that that region is just mad at us becuase we "treat our women" right? And if you think A women will become president, you are a dreamer. Our country was built on bigotry and racism and sexism are just as present as it was in the past, its just that people tend to hide it more now. The extremist are evil, yeah but we're no betta we stole this land from the native americans brotha. Word to the Israeli women equality, but the extremist are too busy blowing themselves up and killing the women and children surrounding in the process. Don't act like America is all innocent, cuz we're killing plenty of innocent muslims on a daily basis to the equivalent of what happened on 9/11. Hmmm, I wonder why we're seen as evil

Now I know your watered down comparision is no way goin to stand up to a substantiated argument from me. I was speaking in very general terms because all to amny people complain or clown when I go into statistics. I am sorry you are completly wrong about our internatiol aid, you can not compare percentage of budget figures with cold hard figures. Our economy is the largest so how are you going to use a weak percentage stand point to argue from. Is it our fault the worlds economies are not as robust as ours. Come on dont feed me that moronic stance, I will level it at any time. Do you even want to involve yoursef in this conversation with me? Please calling me retarded you must not know who your throwing out those comments to. Please be advised, next time approach me from an intellectual foundation. Not some assinine argument that we provide only a small fraction of our overall GNP, when that percentage is by far greater than any other coutry in the world. I have heard bleeding heart liberal argue from the same platform, only to be embaressed by the facts. Fact one no matter how you dilute it, our contributions are greater than all. Now do you want to talk politics with me fine, but to interject such ignorant comments, you just derailed your whole arguement.

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If you knew anything about my standpoint, you would know I never said America is perfect or innocent. I stand behind my word, I am not proud of every aspect of our nations history nor do I support every action of the current administration. What I have stated time and time again, is that I believe in freedom, I believe in goodness and world freedom. I always have, and I think I sit on level of involvement much higher than yours. I actually take an "active' role in all that is transpiring oversea's, do you? I sit on nation security counsels, attend seciurty briefings, and support our military interest both domestic and international. I am not rich, I am not white, and I am not on the far right. I am centered in all area's including; government, politics, social issue's and religion. My comments above where aimed at the sociological breakdown in those hostile nations. I am not defending what america did to the Indegenous people of America, I am not condoning the killing of innocent people. I am just stating the belief that overall good is on the side of America. If you average out the good and the bad, where do we sit. On the side of good, even thought some bad is apperant. Even God made allowences for bad in the pursuit of good. If you really want to have an indepth debate I am more than willing to enlighten you, my guess is that you are going to try to disprove every thing I have stated. I wish you the best of luck.. I will have this discusion if you are willing..

Ignorance is bliss... You have just proved this my friend...

We gave wepons to the Iraqis to wipe out the Kurds, come on you are kidding me right, we supported the kurdish uprising. We armed Iraq in it's war with Iran. Get your damn facts straight, do not post if you are not informed or factual...

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I didnt mean to personally insult you, but you really must not be informed. percentage does matter, thats what shows how much you care, other countries who have had much less money have given higher percents of thier yearly budgets to help foreign affairs. And why do you think we have more money in the first place, when we are invading countries and putting Haliburton in charge of rebuilding it. Even if we are more good than evil, you are ignoring the fact that the countries we are bombing are more good than evil as well. Only a very small percentage of the Islam Nation are actually extremeist. You keep contradicting yourself, first you say you do not support the actions of this administration and then you pull out the famous arfument that anyone uses when theryre backs against the wall and they use the "God example" to say that its all in the support of good. The only thing I agree with you on is that Ingnorance is bliss........ you must be the happiest man alive

plus I am active in these affairs, I have been to Israel and talked to members of the Israeli government regarding issues as such as these and I've heard representives from other countries as well to get theyre take. I've been on social action comitties before, and we have helped Iraq in the recent past as to contradict ourselves as much as you have with your flimsy arguments, so don't assume that you know more than me when you are ignoring half the issue at hand.

^you are too foolish for words...

bounce is just about the most informed person on this entire site my friend. you don't have the facts str8. you are yet another victim of our liberal media. You should venture away from NBC News and keep up with the debates on te channels more dedicated to current affairs. You will learn a lot of things that are clouded to the public. try paying attention to events as they happen and listen to both sides of the argument. the more informed you are, the more you will let go of this left wing attitude you have. even though you're going to not even consider the truth, let me try to clear some things up for everyone else...

percentage does matter, thats what shows how much you care, other countries who have had much less money have given higher percents of thier yearly budgets to help foreign affairs.

you can not measure our national budget in percentages compared to other nations. We have a much larger national budget than an other nation. although we give less of our budget to international affairs, we still give more money than any other country (1% of our budget is much larger than 1% of another nations budget). plus you must consider our social structure and population. we have a much bigger population which takes up a larger percentage of our budget. we also have more exports and industry in our country which takes money to manage. so of course our country uses less of our budget on international affairs.

And why do you think we have more money in the first place, when we are invading countries and putting Haliburton in charge of rebuilding it.

everytime we go to war we have a greater national debt. we do not get rich by sending our military overseas to help people in need.

Even if we are more good than evil, you are ignoring the fact that the countries we are bombing are more good than evil as well. Only a very small percentage of the Islam Nation are actually extremeist.

we do not bomb innocent civilian towns. The extremists that we are fighting do that. we bomb military targets. we don't just fly to a country and blow it all up. we're not savages.

You keep contradicting yourself, first you say you do not support the actions of this administration and then you pull out the famous arfument that anyone uses when theryre backs against the wall and they use the "God example" to say that its all in the support of good.

i believe he said he doesnt agree with all the actions the administration has taken. you don't have to agree with everything. this country is run by human beings who are able to make mistakes and have disagreements. hence our 2 party system. and the God line?? come on... that is the whole reason we are doing this. these people need help. it is a God given responsibility for the people who are better off to help those in need.

btw if youre against what u speak of then why are you "active in these affairs." seems hypocritical to me.

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