lol jk


So yeah anyone think communism could work, sick of having useless debates with compose about it

And tizz I know your stance on this and we already see eye to eye on this.

nope never.................

__________________

communism wouldnt work,to much government controll,democracy works fine but when your deciding between a giant douche and a turd sandwitch lol what do u expect like that episode of south park if youve seen it..but when their is no one to vote for what do u expect..the real problem is capitalism,giant corporations monopolizing and buying out smaller bussiness's,and once they do that they have no competitoin, and pay the lowest salerys possible,thats why they let illegal immigrants in, and never do anything about them.and when they dont want to pay them minimum wage cuz of greed they send jobs overseas in sweatshops for even lower pay..capitalism keeps 90 percent of the wealth in 10 percent of the population,
so overall capitalism is the problem not democracy..word.....

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

Well actual communism doesn't have a direct state to control it. And the giant douche and turd sandwich crap we have in American isn't capitalism's fault. It's the fact that we have a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy. The main differences between communism and capitalism is private ownership over the means of production. Which just means instead of a factory belonging to one Man, it'd belong to "everyone" and what happens in the company would be voted democratically. Communism also doesn't use money it uses "labor tickets", which work like movie tickets, where you use them and they can't be used again, and they can only be used by you.

Capitalism's biggest strength imo is you're free from the fuckups of others. With capitalism everyone else can be completely retarded, but as long as you're smart and make the right decisions you should be somewhat ok. Then again if everyone else is screwed, who's gonna buy your products? We've never really seen a true communist state..ever. The soviet union was a dictatorship. You can't have a communist society where ONE GUY makes all the decisions. The entire point is for the system to be democratic and empower the working class.

We've never seen a true capitalist country either. A true capitalist country would probably be libertarian. Which I could definitely see working, especially with someone like Ron Paul. Capitalism NEEDS the state though to survive and enforce private property(not to be confused with personal property(your house your car etc). Communism doesn't need it, which is why I guess so many anarchists are communists.

Capitalism wins though because it's easier to understand. Also communism, even when done correctly, just seems like a ticking time bomb for totalitarianism. Like it'd be paradise and some guy would just come in and fuck it up eventually.

I probably typed too much.

................................

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

That last part I agree with completely. The private property thing is one of the convincing arguments from communists. One thing I heard is that uhh, let's say I go to a river, I see it first. And for whatever reason me and my "tribe" say this is OUR river. And if anyone wants to drink from our river, they have to work for us and gather food etc. Why? What makes this river mine? Why should I have to work for you when the river belongs to all of us? And that's pretty much the argument of communists. The argument of capitalists is mainly why should you benefit from MY hard work? Which is also a credible argument. So the lesson is, nothing works and we should all give up.

Yeah sorry I've been debating on this forum http://www.revleft.com/vb/

and everyone there are these fuckin college educated communists who know everything about it and i'm used to posting walls of text

dont really have time to debate but i never said capitalism had anything to do with democracy,well thats not what i ment to say if i did..thats seperate..
i think a government for the people by the people should be in affect and oviously in current america thats not what we see,im not actaully sure how a direct democracy works,but a representive democracy would work if we didnt have to choose between two fucking idiots that actaully had the people they represented's ideals at heart,and on all levels,not just the presidents, but the idea of having 3 branches of government balance each other out is a good idea...but i dont see one government better then the next, no one government is the answer in my opinion,each has its pro's and cons..but who knows without corruption,or dictatorship,a real democracy or real communism could work..u never know..

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

the capitalist view is bullshit though,its his company, granted him and a few colleages started it..but who does all the hard work,who works the actaull 9 to 5's,us and who sits on their ass and reaps the benifits,the ceo..the whole idea of capitalism is bullshit..it should be all of our company,and another thing i hate is share holding,if u own 51 percent of the company and sells the other 49 percent the company is yours thats bullshit..

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

This guys a gangsta?? His real name's Melvin

__________________

i stand corrected,capitalism wouldnt be bullshit if the corporations and companys would actually paid their employees something they could raise a family on and giving them benifits.but they dont,and if they wouldnt monopolize by buying out smaller businesses out,then it wouldnt be bullsiht...but at the same time its a good idea cuz your able to start your own bussiness and live the american dream..just pay your fucking employees!!!!!!

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

Lol wait. Do we see eye to eye on this? I forget.

I will say, it sounds better than the socialist path Obama is taking us in now...

[prepares for rage]

__________________

Indeph if u would,explain how a direct democracy works,and i dont understand the private property thing either, teach me

__________________

"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

New email is ESpatriots, same thing to you tizz