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Old 07-31-07, 06:57 PM   #1
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End Conclusion Of "Ends". The Study Of The Universe & Why It Can Contain Things. DC

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It's very basic and you will grasp it because of how very true & simple it is.

But It will not be that easy, I will explain Universe theories to you in a way i help will enlighten you and make you think better about "us".

The Universe is believed and possible to have three shapes. All of them are represented numerically to explain it's shape and form. There are only 3, though, so take note:

-1, 0, and +1.

These all describe the entirety of the Universe and may be why ANYTHING can be described as Numerical!! Of course, these theories also lead to the basis of string theory AND the idea of a Multi-verse. (I'm a bit of a nut when it comes to these scientific universe things)

The shape of the universe is described by "Curvature".. Which is a perfect example of shape.

+1 (the most common idea of the three and the basis for the theories "The Big Bang" and "Multi-verse") A Universe with +1 Curvature would be completely round. It may or may not have come from an explosion because it's also possible it exists with 1 other or many other Universes to thrive/survive. The double Universe is a bit of something I made up and I'll explain that to you later in this draft, -1 Represents what I hope you know the shape, it is a pseudosphere, (Those of you who do not know, think of a three-dimensional circle being split in half and each piece reversed and reconnected. then elongated in size.) This Universe has two open ends and acts as a vacuum of some sort, We do not know what it would suck up, though, that is irrelevant and this is the only one of the three that I'm not sure has any further theories contributing to it.

so if you could, all who are reading, respond what kind of theories you think the pseudosphere could accomplish? What is it's purpose and why do we live in it possible? anything else related to blackholes/planets/milkyways/galaxies included if you could...

Anyway... That's +1 and -1 described, let me point out (0) which is the number I'm going to use to explain against terumoto and R-Evolution, this IS also what Einstein had believed. The universe had 0 curvature and because of that it was just a constantly expanding and ever growing universe. Never to end, time itself does not exist.

K, I see your point in that, especially when string theory is involved. String theory is what comes from the 0 belief, and it is what also includes whole other dimensions stacked on other dimensions and in this big collapse of spreading science we are 1 universe. We came from nothing we just always were.

This also can help most Religions survive, if you believe it this way, because that is what most Religions say. lol. So, there you have it. Those are the three actual common beliefs and most rational understandings of the universe we have to date.

Now, to go back to what I was talking about before about their being 2 universes and possible multi-verses.

A universe may thrive on ONE other Universe, my belief is that maybe they exchange spits, so to say.

Things in one universe fires into the other universe and in turn that universe (Or 3rd dimension) fires things into the first thrower. I don't know which one throws first but that is not of importance, because what is important is we both coexist and with that way we can understand a little bit more about the universe and it's quite probably possible that if we studied both universes completely (in approximately 6,232,526,749,235,503,933,213 years) we could label one female and one male.

This universe looks something like (()) The different colors are to show the connection but difference.

This in MY OPINION, BELIEF AND VIEW is what could be birthing other universes which created!!! surprise! The multi verse!

The universe created us so why can it not create other universes? You think? Maybe the universe itself is a Life giver and can be labeled as "God itself, the Life giver" and actually does birth more space, and universes. It births everything else so why the fuck can't it birth itself?

Anyway.. That's just my view on it.

Another idea suggests that the multi-verse is the 4 universes in a unit and squares off something like:

=|¯|==|¯|=
- || ---||
=|¯|==|¯|=

Without the -'s, of course.
Now, use these thoughts before you process crap like:

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Originally Posted by Terumoto
How can the universe contain something? An apple doesn't contain an apple, it is an apple.


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Like i explained. The universe i'm speaking of, is not a physical universe. It is everything that is universal.

Everything that is universal, contains a universe.


The same word, with two different meanings being used.

An apple could easily contain an apple, if we had scene it as appropriate to name the core, apple as well.


And remember kids! Circles do not have ends because the end process connects with itself!

If the universe was a perfect SPHERE it would not have an end, if it was long in any shape like a rectangle or even remotely close, it will have a size and a shape, a start and an end. A north and a west. Get my drift? Don't like in a bullshit lie that things don't have beginnings and ends because that's like defying shape itself. and lol @ a universe not being able to contain itself.

If it didn't, wouldn't nothing exist already?
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Old 07-31-07, 07:16 PM   #2
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con·tain (kən-tān') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. con·tained, con·tain·ing, con·tains

1.
1. To have within; hold.
2. To be capable of holding.
3. To hold or keep within limits; restrain: I could hardly contain my curiosity.
4. To halt the spread or development of; check: Science sought an effective method of containing the disease.
2. To have as component parts; include or comprise: The album contains many memorable songs.
3.
1. To hold or keep within limits; restrain: I could hardly contain my curiosity.
2. To halt the spread or development of; check: Science sought an effective method of containing the disease.
4. To check the expansion or influence of (a hostile power or ideology) by containment.

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The universe doesn't need to contain itself. You are adding unnecessary words and meanings... If you get rid of the crap:

1) The universe contains itself. (contains is unnecessary)
2) The universe is itself. (This is like saying an apple is an apple, it isn't necessary)
3) The universe is. (is is a language marker meaning something exists, it's all that's necessary here. You could even just say "The universe." but it would lack context.

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That's just with the containing thing at the end of your post, i'll reply to the other stuff later.
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Old 07-31-07, 07:50 PM   #3
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one can contain his inner emotions though, that's weird huh
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Old 07-31-07, 08:03 PM   #4
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The idea of containing emotions is just another inadequacy of the English language. Emotions are "created" by the person and felt in the present, not contained. What gives us the feeling of them being contained is our self consciousness. Animals just feel their emotions without being conscious of them (maybe chimps and shit are, I dunno). It's that old song... "If you're happy and you know it etc." We're happy, and we are conscious of it. Imagine if you were happy and you didn't know it. lol
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I'd be an animal.

lol @ some animals smiling

you know they feel happiness so why can't they feel other emotions? I wonder O.o
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What's your point?
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you know they feel happiness so why can't they feel other emotions? I wonder O.o

wtf...
have you never heard a dog pout? (sadness)
bark at another dog? (anger)

And I don't know if it's just be not catching it, but I don't see your reason to think the universe is like a sphere.. and just because we exist (we meaning this universe) doesn't mean there's some crazy ass infinite cycle going on for infinity, creating more and more universes.

Because, quite frankly, the only reason we would need infinite numbers of universes and therefore infinite numbers of life, or living things (i.e, germs, etc.), would be for writing a science fiction book.

I'm just not buying it.
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What's your point?


One who manages themselves better than anyone else is usually contained therefore. Am I wrong?

Why or Why not?
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wtf...
have you never heard a dog pout? (sadness)
bark at another dog? (anger)

And I don't know if it's just be not catching it, but I don't see your reason to think the universe is like a sphere.. and just because we exist (we meaning this universe) doesn't mean there's some crazy ass infinite cycle going on for infinity, creating more and more universes.

Because, quite frankly, the only reason we would need infinite numbers of universes and therefore infinite numbers of life, or living things (i.e, germs, etc.), would be for writing a science fiction book.

I'm just not buying it.


you don't have to, it's not your belief. I just presented all the theories for the universe in it's basic for you. you need to relax, buddy.
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Anyone who manages themselves at all contains themselves.

Why would it matter if they did it better than anyone else?
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Anyone who manages themselves at all contains themselves.

Why would it matter if they did it better than anyone else?


I want terumoto to answer it first but...
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you don't have to, it's not your belief. I just presented all the theories for the universe in it's basic for you. you need to relax, buddy.

I'm not freaking out. xD
I'm actually kinda lifted a bit so I'm far from pissed or anything.
I just don't see any solid facts to back up your theory, man.
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Old 07-31-07, 10:56 PM   #13
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It's not MY theory

it's common belief

lol
you've never heard of the big bang? Einstein's belief that the universe was just infinitely expanding? String theory? I know you've HAD to have heard of the big bang.
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It's not MY theory

it's common belief

lol
you've never heard of the big bang? Einstein's belief that the universe was just infinitely expanding? String theory? I know you've HAD to have heard of the big bang.

yeah. (atom exploding, i know)
and.
now i understand.

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xD!! nt & shit.
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