Originally Posted by 2v

And as the point's been raised, it's not really about depression more than it is State Of Mind.

depression is just a label for a certain type of state of mind, and like any state, it has severity levels. There is both a Self[ish] and Self[less] state of mind attributed to Suicide. There are also methods of suicide that have nothing to do with themselves or other people, which aren't involving any sort of selves at all. I have studied suicide a lot because I've considered it (God forbid pinky shows the fuck up to tell me why he thinks my life is lame) and there are many situations involving.

Single example of a selfish suicide: "I have obligations and duties to other people which are good things for them. I am expected and/or the only one who can complete these duties. I want to satisfy their needs and it is perhaps a must that I do, however, I cannot forget my past (???) and must kill myself right now."

Example of Self[less] suicide: "Everyone I've ever come into contact with dislikes me and I've harmed every single human being in my life either emotionally or physically. I am wanted dead. I will complete the act myself." (Although this being a subjective opinion, and would be labeled depression by most psychiatrists, it is essentially, as depression is also, a state of mind)

Political suicide:
Buddhist monks self immolated themselves (Lit themselves on fire) to protest the cruelty done to .. Buddhist monks. This took place in Vietnam. Although they are doing the act to get what they want from their government, making them (selfish), they are giving something up in return, their life. Making them resembling more a side of Selflessness. That could also be argued in modern USA with a quick twist of logic, "You hurt Buddhist monks to save Buddhist monks?"


In ancient China, if you committed an offense toward someone with grand power who had authority over you, that leader/higher authority figure could sentence you to kill yourself. If you are disloyal, you will abandon your higher authority and gain shame. If you are loyal, you will kill yourself. This is not an act of selfish or selflessness, because it is a grave situation (death) that some people will not face. However of course in all cases of suicide it seems, abandoning his duties for his life is Selfish (with a loss of honor), whereas being a loyal servant in itself to any single other person or cause, is loyalty, and selfless.

But there is only one situation I can't put my finger on as either selfish or selfless, and that's when the person who's in a depressive state of mind is thinking about what other people have done to them and that by killing themselves they'll make a point.

I would assume.. that the point being made is what counts. Trying to teach them:
-I need to be more kind to people and mellow out. Make better decisions and be more giving. (Then the person who killed themselves for a point, took extreme measures in a self[less] act.)
-I am a shitty person and I deserve to die because i have costed this poor person's life through my actions. (selfish of the suicide(r), to wish that be the point to cross the person's mind)

of course in this situation only, it's really rather impossible to tell, as you don't know what the person taking their own life is really thinking at all, in their own state of mind. It is probably in this instance best that the person write a letter.

=)

I hope that sheds light on what you view of OMB..

and to the guy who said I respect OMB, yeah, I liked arguing with him on RV the most, so he had more of my respect. I don't really care what you think of me or terumoto, but I've always done my best to honor his death and my efforts won't go wasted by any bland or heartless opinion.

Edit: Oh.. he was talking to In-Vision.. alright then , my fault. .

Originally Posted by In-Vision

cali...you've been out of fucking line lately. You consider yourself a legend...most if not all the people on this board....consder OMB to have been better then you....when he first got here...he was immediately dropping with the best...battling with the best...and over-all...contributing to the site more then 98% of the people who have ever been here on an intellectual level. His talent exceeded yours and just about everyone you know...and to top it off....he never let his ego get out of hand....as a matter of fact...he had maybe the smallest ego out of anyone here that could actually write. To say OMB was a good dude, is a fucking understatement...and you should feel ashamed of yourself to be the ONLY one who is selfish enough to tarnish his name without having just cause.

Originally Posted by C.A.L.I

yes he battled the best when he came and he lost to them all..........including me.he was not good and thats just the truth.his record was like 20-35 at a time.he was never good and never won any league or tourney on this site.he was a bum period.just because someone died don't make them a legend!!

Originally Posted by Mannie Fresh

yea, V, but you spoke of him as if he was some hero "dont ever tarnish his memory!!"
i think CALI can have the opinion that OMB was a b..whatitch if he wants to, i dont agree with him, but still, why is he not allowed to negatively talk about OMB? its not like he died yesterday

Originally Posted by 2v

it depends on the justification of suicide and life sucks in general so I encourage suicide to those who want to help the lives of others, there is of course the "Enduring mass amounts of laboring pain so you can give the next guy some cash in his pocket and food to eat" route, but that's too Jesus-like..

but in the case of me, where life is just absolute shit and I want to die, I'm just like, okay well I'll keep living because that's what people expect of me and it won't teach a good lesson to anyone if I simply end my life without any final words.

Anyway I might or might not have cancer but if I do, I'll have to accept it. Life is just .. meh. If you have a girlfriend and she says she loves you, all you gotta do is die and she'll be taking in some other guy's dick within months or years. She'll get the fuck over you.

That's how fake and twisting this world is, and I don't want any part of it. Which is also why I refuse to have sex.

Originally Posted by Zone Out

Thats your excuse for being a virgin?

Originally Posted by 2v

Yehhhh right I get horny as a muh fuck =(

it just makes me feel so weakly human when I follow through with my natural urges.

If things were meant to be natural then we'd be fucking each other in the ass all the time like our monkey specie brethren. Sucking each other's cocks and our women would be licking each other's pussies and playing with each other constantly.

Doesn't that kinda remind you of 'kinky' human sex?