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Old 09-03-08, 10:13 PM   #91
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well...for one, you can't focus anything on 'terriosts'

terriosom in general is an ideology. N unless you can insitutite martial law, you can't get ride of an idea.

So trying to attack/defend/defeat 'terrisom' is a simple 'scare' tactic devised by goveremnt officals to make us continue to fear something that isn't always there.

Its the same concept as any type of thing that can kill us. A car, for example, is extremely dangerous...but we aren't afarid of it becuase we have no reason to be afaird. But, many people are killed each year by car's that hit pedestrians.

Same thing can be applied to terriosm, its always there, obviously people want to attack and hurt other people. But, its not like every day of every week people are like, LETS STRIKE!!!

Death is apart of human life, n we've only made terriosm recuritment easier for terriosts by publicing the fucking shit out of it.


N i'm pretty sure that the Iraq War was what alot of people wanted, considering that signs up for the Army were pretty fucking high. People wanted to prove a point, not to fuck with America, unfourtnely, when you go into another person's home country...and try to fight somethign thats unfightable, than destory there homeland. Your going to loose that war. Period.
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Old 09-03-08, 11:54 PM   #92
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hah, i think u sort of ran with my "lost sight of the terrorists" comment and took it out of context... i obviously am referring to one group of terrorists in Afghanistan, not to just the ideology of terrorism, and applying that to all terrorists... and of course i understand that its hard to "kill" these groups because there will always be someone to replace them and to keep the movement going... i was simply making the point that we stopped focusing our attack on the people who were the Real threat because they Actually attacked us, but instead aimed our attack at a country that did not attack us but was believed to have nuclear weapons.... your whole concept of "you cant focus on terrorists" and "scare tactics" is a little too conspiracy theory to me.... im saying that we proved our message to the wrong people

and yea military signups were up... but thats because of the Terrorist Attack, not because of the Iraq "threat"..... and because the average American was almost brainwashed into thinking that Iraq was our actual enemy of more terrorism. Now that was the scare tactic, because they werent a real threat.... trying to attack afghanistan was not a scare tactic, per se, because they attempted to kill thousands of innocent people and the most important people in Washington...

sign ups did not increase to fight Iraqis, they were increased to fight "terrorists", which the government attempted to basically label the Iraqis as.... many people in Washington were smarter, and many more Should've been smarter.... Obama opposed the Iraq War from the start but now realizes that since we are already there we cant simply pull out all of a sudden... that would be more irresponsible than going there in the first place on false grounds

and btw, the thing about cars... there is actually a small likelihood that people will actually begin to be innately scared of cars and guns, just as many are innately scared of spiders and other deadly animals/foods/insects.... this has nothing to do with wat you're talking about, but i read a psych report basically discussing the possibility... its interesting to think about... babies are way more likely to be scared of a spider when they first see one than when they first see a dog or cat, another human, or even a gun....even tho the latter are obviously much bigger imposing figures or provide more danger... and this has to do with that classic discussion of survival of the fittest, and the survival instinct, and blah blah blah, moral of the story is that things like guns and cars havent been long enough to pass this instinct along (i never actually read anything about the possible genetic connection) but they believe soon enough theres going to be these innate phobias of guns and cars... just like there are phobias of heights, animals, and all the other dangers of the world... just thought it would be interesting
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Old 09-04-08, 12:00 AM   #93
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Old 09-04-08, 12:03 AM   #94
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yeah, i'm voting for the candidate endorsed by the worst president in the history of the United States of America
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Old 09-04-08, 12:09 AM   #95
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yeah, i'm voting for the candidate endorsed by the worst president in the history of the United States of America


Yeah, since it was clearly unexpected when the Republican president endorsed the Republican that's running for president. Get the fuck out of here.
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Old 09-04-08, 12:24 AM   #96
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But that's in the modern world, where republican and democrat are virtually indifferent.

True democrats like Mike Gravel even admit that democrats aren't even really democrats anymore. They've strayed from true democratic values...

Which again is why he switched from his heartfelt democratic position to a libertarian . Not to mention he's had more experience than McCain...
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Old 09-04-08, 12:37 AM   #97
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Not to mention that nobody ever votes for the libertarian.
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Old 09-04-08, 01:21 AM   #98
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Not to mention would have been the course of action I would have proposed as well.
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Old 09-04-08, 01:47 AM   #100
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Yeah, since it was clearly unexpected when the Republican president endorsed the Republican that's running for president. Get the fuck out of here.

you make a thread on a rap board entitled "Who else is voting McCain" then tell me to "get the fuck out of here"????

dude, do you even know what the fuck you would be doing by voting for McCain? if heaven forbid he does get elected, you do realize that the presidency will likely kill him as it has known to do to 76 year old bastards... it is not an easy job on the heart. then what are we left with? one of the most conservative evangelical candidates that could have possibly been chosen as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!???? you do realize the only reason that McCain chose her was to get the evangelical republican voting base, which is a HUGE part of the republican party (i think i heard 1/3 on the news... visit www.godhatesfags.com for more information on this huge part of the republican voting base).

go ahead and vote for the president that will BE SURE to once again guarantee financial stability to the upper 0.1% of the american population if you want to, but i'm ready for a president who is concerned with the well-being of ALL of the American people... and i'm just so sick overall of having my country represented by someone with this ignorant ass conservative state of mind.

time to restore some power to the people!!!!
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Old 09-04-08, 02:05 PM   #101
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I'm voting for McCain for a few reasons. The strongest belief I have in this election is that taxes shouldn't be as high as Obama wants to make them. I'm a firm believer in capitalism, and Obama's tax policies are coming close to bordering socialist. If Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes to outrageous levels I'd definitely consider voting for him.

Dude, I already explained this on the second page. I'm not talking about the top 1-3% of this population in terms of income. I'm talking about middle class people. Of course if you're making $50 million a year and the government takes half you should still be fine (though that's not always the case, but if you can't manage yourself with that much money, you're pretty much an idiot), but that's not the income bracket I'm talking about or arguing for.

I don't believe if you work hard to open a business or do something innovative that you should be required to give back half of your income. If you're already creating jobs and generating capital, doesn't that provide the "American dream" to other people? If I open a successful business and hire you, aren't you better off then if I hadn't opened a business and hadn't hired you? What's a person's motivation to put in the required work to open a business or do something innovative, create jobs, and generate capital if the government is going to take away half of it and give it to people who don't necessarily deserve it? That's why socialism will always fail. There's no motivation to work hard.

Your analogy about a person's mom isn't accurate and doesn't sum up this situation. I'd present a counter analogy but I can't think of one that covers everything I'm saying. It's just your analogy fails to factor in the good people who start businesses are already doing, both for the economy and for other people. It's not like the country gave me a bunch of opportunities and I turned that into a good thing for just me. The people who I'm talking about have given back to the country and continue to give back to the country everyday (via jobs, goods and services, taxes that they're already required to pay, etc.).

I get what you're saying and I respect the hell out of you for doing what you're doing, and I wish you the best of luck. I just can't support raising taxes very high, and that's the main reason I'm not voting for Obama.

Yeah, you do have a point, but for the record, I don't work 2 jobs, I work a full-time job and go to school roughly 3/4 time, so don't respect me TOO much, lol.

I think more than anything I'm tired of the level of corruption there has been on the federal level with Republicans in office, and that's the biggest reason I would vote Dem almost regardless of the issues, it just so happens I have liberal ideals as well. That's a whole other story though.
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Old 09-04-08, 02:17 PM   #102
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you make a thread on a rap board entitled "Who else is voting McCain" then tell me to "get the fuck out of here"????

dude, do you even know what the fuck you would be doing by voting for McCain? if heaven forbid he does get elected, you do realize that the presidency will likely kill him as it has known to do to 76 year old bastards... it is not an easy job on the heart. then what are we left with? one of the most conservative evangelical candidates that could have possibly been chosen as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!???? you do realize the only reason that McCain chose her was to get the evangelical republican voting base, which is a HUGE part of the republican party (i think i heard 1/3 on the news... visit www.godhatesfags.com for more information on this huge part of the republican voting base).

go ahead and vote for the president that will BE SURE to once again guarantee financial stability to the upper 0.1% of the american population if you want to, but i'm ready for a president who is concerned with the well-being of ALL of the American people... and i'm just so sick overall of having my country represented by someone with this ignorant ass conservative state of mind.

time to restore some power to the people!!!!


What does a rap board have to do with anything? Should I have assumed that because this is a hip hop board everybody obviously doesn't know shit about economics? When people like you start posting, it's makes it look like that assumption comes close to holding true.

And once again you show yourself to be a fucking idiot. I haven't been talking about the 0.1% of this population, as I've stated at least 3 times already in this thread. I'm not voting for somebody who doesn't understand capitalism.

If by "restore power to the people" you mean "turn a capitalistic economy to a socialist one because taxing the people who generate the capital has shown to be so ridiculously successful in the past" I completely agree.

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What does a rap board have to do with anything? Should I have assumed that because this is a hip hop board everybody obviously doesn't know shit about economics? When people like you start posting, it's makes it look like that assumption comes close to holding true.

And once again you show yourself to be a fucking idiot. I haven't been talking about the 0.1% of this population, as I've stated at least 3 times already in this thread. I'm not voting for somebody who doesn't understand capitalism.

If by "restore power to the people" you mean "turn a capitalistic economy to a socialist one because taxing the people who generate the capital has shown to be so ridiculously successful in the past" I completely agree.

? you didn't say actually say anything in that post.

no counter arguments to what i said whatsoever... i didn't say YOU said anything about the top 0.1% of the population, i said that your candidate's policies are only going to help those people. you aren't running for president.

and please, tell me what obama has failed to realize about capitalism by being FARRRRRR more educated than you... i would love to hear you shed some light on the confused democratic party that believes in helping those in need.

can you seriously look at the McCain/fucking SARAH PALIN ticket and not see what of a fucking ridiculously elitist and ignorantly conservative ticket that is????
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Old 09-04-08, 08:33 PM   #104
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READ MY OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD.

I've already fucking responded to everything you said. I'm not going to type everything over again just because dumbfuck Blay can't find the "<< First" button at the bottom of the fucking thread. Read through all the pages. I've commented on a shit ton of stuff, and I imagine your fucking retarded ass won't get anything I said, but at least you won't be able to say that I didn't explain anything.

Obama either doesn't understand capitalism or doesn't support it, and that's obvious when you look at his tax policies. Neither one of those options works for me.

You seriously just hopped into my 7 page long thread and then said I haven't argued anything? Fuck outta here. Read the whole thread, you fucking idiot.
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Old 09-04-08, 08:36 PM   #105
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Meh. It's not hard to argue in favor of McCain when you have big news corporations attempting to defend every attack on McCain.

Then you wake up in the morning and turn on the news channel looking for some information on the newest hurricane but you see a video of black and white in-pain McCain and how he's a war hero and his buddy POW's love him.

It just makes me wonder why a good chunk of the POW's at that time hate John McCain and would never vote for him. @_@
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