mark ch 12 verse 21-25. basically says that if u believe anything is possible, so yes i believe in radio active spiders and anything
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all i know is that if u read the bible and understand what other people are willing to die for it can give you wisdom in ways u'd never believe. if u believe it or not, its the smartest book ever writen and theres much u can learn from it. but keep in mind that a lot of people truely believe what u are reading, it will help u to understan where people are coming from and what fear is really all about.
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God, Jesus, and the holy spirit have total control over the devil, the devil can't even wink its eye with out their permission, so never have fear in anything. if u are on good terms with God and feel you are on the path set forth for you.
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another way to explain that is having faith in yourself, but if u do that its easier to doubt yourself, its much more difficult to doubt the creater of the universe next time you don't feel u have what it takes to do something he has planned for you. if u think that way u can accomplish much more if its a mind game or not thats up to you. i see no reason not to have total faith that i can do anything with my life

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............then how do we exist?? if we exist from nothing so can god.....
your saying with all the prophecys being fullfilled that god doesnt exist?

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"the loudest one in the room is the weakest"- frank lucas..

There is most likely a creator, to label him "God" is your own thing, that's cool. It's foolish and ignorant to doubt the possibility and the existence of a creator, but it's also foolish to completely rule out any other theory or possibility as none of us know the actually truth behind our existence.

The difference between accepting the fact that there is a creator and accepting that you need to serve it by this list of rules is enormous. To follow any religion and rule everything else out is just pure idiocy.

The most humble approach when it comes to anything is to understand that anything is possible and that anything could have or could happen. Take a girlfriend for example, you fall in love with her, change your life, do everything you can for her and then she breaks you heart and leaves you with nothing. What did you do wrong? You allowed yourself to believe that this was the one, that you needed to do these things because everything was going to work out and be okay in the end, wrong. The same thing goes for religion. Why waste your time, money, enjoyment, and limit yourself from doing amazing things because somebody told you it's what you should do?

If you haven't noticed, I haven't labeled any specific religion because in the end they are all exactly the same. If you were born anywhere other than North America chances are you wouldn't have been raised Christian. If you were born anywhere other than the middle east countries chances are you wouldn't of been raised Muslim. So on and so forth. But for example, these two religions state that you must follow their "God" and their "God" only or else you'll be damned to hell. So for the people that don't even learn about this other, supposedly correct religion, they're just fucked? No chance for them, wrong "God", life for eternity in hell. What a crock of shit. Now people always create these little loop holes to make up for these flaws and say bullshit like God knew they had no chance down there so if they were a good person they get into Heaven and all this. Bullshit.

Whatever created us, didn't create us with the intention of ending up in Heaven or Hell, those are made up places to try and convince you to be a certain type of person and to follow a set of rules higher powers made way back in the day to control people. If you actually believe that your "God" has eternal love for people, there wouldn't be such a place as hell or else he's really just a jealous asshole and that's not a very God-like feature.

Live outside the book and see the world for what it really is. Stop killing people for believing in different things because they're just as fucking stupid as you are.

exactly yo!! That's what I was about to say in one of my bible studies.

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i agree with most that except the loop hole thing. people don't get to go to heaven for being a good person no matter what, only through jesus, as it says in the bible, but i believe that hell is stupid and it wouldn't be very god like to make someone burn in it forever when people are in such different possitions and many have better chances to go to hell than others. God wouldn't do that in my eyes. but it says clearly in the bible theres only one way to heaven and there is only one God, and the muslims are all going to hell, but because God is so loving i don't think one life is their only chance.
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but i still believe everyones life would be best off if people didn't go against the bible so much, its got a lot figured out in it and can give a lot of wisdom if you read close enough and put it to work

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God made hell for those that denied him. God sacrificed his one and only son for the world. And still after what he sacrificed for us people would still reject him? Of course they would go to hell. Even the nicest person in the world can go to hell if they dont accept Jesus as their savior and that he died for our sins. Without hell, why would people be scared of God? Without hell there can't be a heaven. He's showing us all the love in the world and doesn't want us to go to hell. But thats the great thing about God, is he gave us free will. Its your choice where you want to go. This is what someone said "I'd rather live my life as if there is a God, than to live my life like there isn't a God and than find out that there is."

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WHO WROTE THE BIBLE? THE TORAH? THE QUR'AN?.... MAN DID
WHO BUILT CHURCHES? CINEGOGS? MOSQUES?... MAN DID
WHO GAVE US AN IMAGE OF HELL BEING A PLACE FULL OF FIRE AND THE DEVIL AS A HORNED CREATURE WITH A PITCHFORK?... MAN DID
WHO GAVE THE IMAGE OF PEARLY GATES LEADING INTO HEAVEN?... MAN DID
WHO PAINTED THE PICTURES OF ANGELS AS WINGED HUMANS WITH HALOS AND WHITE ROBES?... MAN DID
WHO MADE THE IMAGE OF JESUS BEING A WHITE MAN WITH BLUE EYES AND LONG BLONDE HAIR AND A BEARD?... MAN DID
WHO ARE OUR PRIESTS AND RABBAI'S AND RELIGIOUS COUNSELORS AND LEADERS AND POPES?... MEN ARE
WHO DECIDED ONLY THEIR RELIGION WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GET INTO HEAVEN AND ALL OTHERS WOULD BE FORCED TO LIVE IN HELL?... MEN DID
WHO FOUGHT EACHOTHER OVER RELIGIOUS DISPUTES IN THE NAME OF THEIR "GODS?"... MEN DID
WHO DECIDED THAT IF YOU RAPE CHILDREN AND MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU WILL STILL GO TO HEAVEN IF YOU ACCEPT A SAVIOR BUT IF YOU LIVE WELL AND GIVE ALL MONEY TO CHARITY BUT DON'T ACCEPT A SAVIOR YOU WILL SPEND AN ENTERNITY IN HELL?... MEN DID

You fucking uneducated celestial fan base...
The God you believe in is the God that man made...

I have a God, and he/she/wtv the fuck it is, was not influenced by hollywood or hatred for others or the words of men.

Fuck you all.

Who wrote the bible? Moses, Paul, John, Jesus, David, etc.. list goes on and on.
Who build the church? God built the Church.. how?!? Through man..
Who gave the image of hell being a place full of fire and torment? The Bible..
Who gave the image of pearly gates? The Bible.
Who painted the pictures of angels as winged humans? The people who "saw them" also in the bible.
Who are the priests, rabbi's, counselor's etc?? And who made an image of how Jesus would look like? Yes man did, but in the bible it said dont make idols. God didn't want anyone to make images of him for a reason. And how do we know hes not black or chinese or mexican?? Hmm.. he was born in Nazareth. No one that's asian or black or w/e could possibly be born in that 'Small" city at that time.
Who decided their religion is the right way? God Did. I speak from experience from the miracles that happened in my life. You choose what you believe is the right decision. God gave us "free will" for a reason.
Yes man fought over religious views. Who doesn't?
The bible never said if you give a lot of money to charity you will go to heaven. Works is nothing without faith and faith is nothing without works. If you accept Jesus as your savior you will go to heaven. He died on the cross for our sins for a reason. So we are able to be in Heaven with him.

The God I we believe in as (a Christian is the God that saved us from our sins. Our GOD was never influenced by hollywood. That's hollywood making an image of God of something he isn't at all.

Our God gives us a base of rules of things not to do. To please him?!?!? NO!! If we try our "best" to stay away from what we call a"sin" it helps better our future. Honestly, if you LIE or Steal, or murder, or even just commit adultery. Is that good for you or your future at all? You future with your wife? Your future trying to get a job with those "illegal" things like stealing can get on your record? Or even lying.. it always catches up to you if you keep lying. How will that make you look if people find out your a Liar? God is our father, and he only wants best for his children.

Everything in the Bible as us Christian's believe, God had every influence in everything in the Bible. Every word, every letter! Even every space in the bible.

What's also funny was I asked God to just tell me something today when I read the bible after what I saw your post. You say the bible was made by man?!? Yes it was written by man but like I said God influenced everything from the words all the way to the spaces in the Bible through the Holy Spirit. So when I asked God to tell me something within the hour I read your post, I read in 2 Timothy 3:16 it says "All scripture is God-"breathed" and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness."

"God-breathed" means everything in the Bible is inspired by God.

also.. Jesus wasn't made by Man. Jesus is real and even in the Roman HISTORY BOOKS! A well respected Historian stated a few years after Jesus death stated that Jesus Christ who made this group called the "Christian's" who was also sacrificed on the cross may have been 1 of the reasons to the downfall of the roman empire... So YES.. Jesus is real...

Man wrote the Bible, But God made the Bible. Anymore questions?

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JTR, you are wasting your time.

I have found the most pointless agruments I have ever been involved in are always with Christians. They are closed, or very narrow minded individuals that are nothing but ignorant when anything valid that goes against their beliefs is brought to their attention.

You do not have to serve somebody, you have to serve yourself. That is all the advice a person can really give to such people.

I just choose to not bother with them anymore because if they want to enjoy a life following rules that hinder potential and keep them from experiencing some of the greater things life has to offer, so be it. More for myself and anybody else that can think for themself.

lol. Its funny because before I was even Christian I've done everything everyone has done. All that crap I use to do. Stole thousands worth of things, having everything you can dream of. Use to make 300 grand a year before the economy got jacked up. Had the women, had the cars. Had a membership to every porn site you can think of. Have the best pc with the best hardware out there. Went clubbing, cheated on all the women. Cursed like there was no tomorrow. I served myself. I didn't care about anyone else. Didn't care about my gf's, my family, or friends. All I cared about was money and myself. I made more money than you prolly ever will. Yet even though I lived through the "greater" things life has to offer. What I have now with my relationship with God is "Greater" than anything else I ever had. Why?!?!? Because I have that comfort of my future. I have that comfort of not being scared to die. One thing I know that many Atheist think when they're on their death bed is "I hope there's no God or hell."

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Dabotos goes hard lol
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what does surving yourself do exactly? does it help the human race and prevent your kids from growing up in a piece of shit world? i dont believe it does, i believe if people read the bible more life would be better for everyone, even if they didn't believe it, everyone doin shit just for themselves aint lookin at the Big Picture :copyright:

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You're taking serve yourself way out of context.

Dabatos, by the sounds of the life you were previously living, you were just a cunt, somebody who needs a fucking slap in the face because you had no self control. Serving yourself doesn't mean to live without morals, love, trust or compassion for anything else, it simply means to not spend your life serving somebody else, bending over and doing what they want you to do. Serving yourself doesn't give you the license to be an asshole, just because you don't follow a religion doesn't mean you don't know the moral difference between what's right and what's wrong. You were just a fucking loser before and when you "found God" and formed this relationship with an imaginary figure maybe you just realized how much of a moron you were in the past. Now of course, being weak and simple minded you're going to give the reasoning for your change to your new found discovery because it's easier to say "I've found God and changed from my evil ways" then it is to admit you were a childish fuck that doesn't know the difference between luxury and being excessive.

You're positive that Atheists lie on their death bed praying for the first time that there is no God or hell? That's a pretty easy assumption to make to try and insult one, but I'm sure they're aware of their situation and the way they lived their life and their beliefs just as you are. I mean if you need a belief of Heaven to be content with dying you're just a pussy, I mean really? Grow up.

I'm Agnostic by the way, I think Atheists are fucking pompous fucks too, their only leg up on you is that they aren't wasting their time.

By the way Mark Schafer, just because I serve myself and no "higher figure" doesn't mean that I don't care about anybody else. I do charity races and marathons and encourage people to help out all the time. I love and care about my family and friends more than anything.

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well i can't hate on that, because if u have a good heart and are tryin to help people that helps my world, but i still believe in jesus, because i think he explains things well in the bible for people who are stupid and helps show people how to live their lives.
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i'm not at church because my parents even though are christian, don't believe in the crap that is taught in the church. the bible teaches that we can do anything, and people that go to church dont really do much, i like goin just to see where they are misslead so i know how to read situations where there are people like that.
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only reason why i can't turn away from the bible is because it says u can do miricles and i want to one day be able to do miricles because thats what this shitty world needs. no emo though haha

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