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Old 02-20-07, 01:34 AM   #1
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The truth about the recurring legend of Jesus Christ and the true nature of life..

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This is some real shit for both Christians and Agnostics, Atheists or whatever else... It's long, so don't read it if you're a fool. You'll be wasting your time. I dont even know if ANYONE will read this, but if you are unsure about religious shit you might want to read this so life makes a bit of sense.

It is important to distinguish between legends, age old symbols that have a place in the heart of every person, no matter what, and interpretations of these symbols. The reason the story of the divine son of God has survived so long is because it is one of the oldest myths of the human race, and is embedded into the nature of our thought, whether we like it or not. Specific doctrines often attempt to make exclusive interpretations of the symbols, and claim them as their own. One of these doctrines is christianity, which mostly fails to cure the spiritual disease of men because it is hard to believe that specific interpretation of the symbols. For those that do manage to believe, what makes the doctrine adequate is not the interpretation, but the symbols themselves.

Modern skepticism against religion, which is very common, is a mistake because not only are you rejecting the church's doctrine, you are rejecting the symbols themselves.

Probably the most important of these symbols is that of the Holy child, conceived of the holy ghost and born of the virgin mary. The attention of the church has often been drawn to inconvenient occurences of this same story in other, often older religions. For example the story of Maya and the Buddha or Isis and Horus. Their reply to this was that the devil placed the story in other religions to confuse the faithful (no disrespect to the church, but that is BS).

Before I tell you the real meaning of the stories, I will mention a few interesting points. In the third chapter of the Gospel of John, Jesus said that if a man is to enter the kingdom of heaven he must be born again of water and the spirit. Also, in the creation of the world (in Genisis), it is said that the spirit moved upon the face of the waters. There are other references, but it is obvious these two elements are necessary for Divine Creation, whether of a universe or a son of God.

Now.. Were these elements concerned in the creation of the particular son of God named Jesus Christ? Well already the Holy Ghost/Spirit was involved, so that is one half. It can't be an accident that Mary, which is the greek form of mare, the latin word for "sea" was the mother of the Christ. Both of those words were derived from the sanskrit prefix ma-, as were Maya (the mother of the Buddha, also means form or phenomena), mater (mother), and the english matter. In all ancient cosmologies, water is the symbol for matter, which, in union with spirit, gives birth to the world of form. And just as spirit is considered active and masculine, water is considered passive and feminine.

In cosmology, the symbol of the divine son represents the birth of the world from the union of spirit with virgin matter, the planting of the seed of life into untouched soil. But its most important meaning is to do with the spiritual development of man, with the idea of the second birth and the realization that through being born anew, degenerate man can become Christ, Son of God and Son of Man.

Listen carefully, this is the most important part. Ignorance and spiritual hell is the result of being involved in DUALISM, a conflict between opposites, whether divine or human, self or world, concious or unconcious. Any self-councious person (as in the literal meaning, concious of self, not "shy" or whatever, which means every person) just awakens in this condition, and is in it. There is conflict with our self and the world, us and the society we are in, for all the time we find that the demands of life always conflict with our personal desires.

The result of this, is to regard our selves as, well... Our selves, setting up a stronghold, a barrier between us and the outside world. Anything we desire, we wish to bring within the barrier so it can belong to us. Once we do this, if we even succeed, the things we desired lose their meaning. It is similar to seperating the beatiful and ugly parts of a human being. After it, you are left with a few chunks of flesh and a lot of mess, both beautiful and ugly parts are dead. It just doesn't make sense to do it. So do you see that the seperation of self from life, the barrier we put up between ourselves and the world, can only cause misery and spiritual death?

These analogies (not mine, the work of A. Watts) illustrate my point very well. Apart from life, the self is as meaningless as a solitary note taken away from a symphony, as dead as a finger cut from the hand, and as stagnant as air caught from the wind and shut tight in a room. The same goes for anything the self tries to grasp as exclusive property.. Any person, idea, object or quality.

Equally unfruitful is the OPPOSITE of this position (This particularly concerns strong christians etc). If the self is too absorbed in the world, or totally absorbed in God or the community then (Watts' words again) it is as useless as a body which is all one limb, as dull as a tune of one uninterrupted note (or of every conceivable note played in one general uproar), and as absurd as a picture which has niether any particular color nor any particular form.

Here is where it connects with the store of the divine son. Between the two opposites, the self and the universe there may be a union. Not a merge, like the way you mix an alcoholic beverage, but a union as between a man and a woman in which both opposites retain their individuality but bear fruit in the form of a child. Before we can appreciate the meaning of things, we must realize that not only yourself, but ALL other things are meaningless and dead when considered as isolated, self-sufficient entities. Unless related to the whole the part has no value, and this relation between part and whole, or better yet the realization of the already existing relationship between part and whole, is the union that births the Holy Child.

If you only receive the universe into your self, you become inflated by the true notion that you are God, not realizing the fact that that is meaningless because you have created another opposition between part and whole. To give your self utterly onto the universe, is to become a meaningless nothing, blown by the winds of circumstance.

But, when the world is received and the self given, there prevails the union which brings the second birth. In even just this state, it is possible to accept without falter both good or bad and appreciate life in any sense. This is the great resurrection and eternal life. The great life is more than life as opposed to death as a melody is more than sound. It is rhythmic presense and the absence of sound in which the silence and the ending of notes is just as important as their playing. When you listen to a rhythm, it isn't just tolerating the pause for the sake of the note, unless we may also say that it is tolerating the note for the sake of the pause. For just as little could be more hideous than an eternity of sound or an eternity of silence, it is the same with an eternity of life or an eternity of death. But there is an alternation, a rhythm, a variety in things, a universal symphony, if you will. Just as the melody is the child of the faither, sound, and mother, silence, and has more meaning than them both, but equal meaning because it could not exist without them.

So, when we say the union of self and life or world results in the birth of the Christ (savior), we mean that man arises to a new plateau of conciousness which is niether in himself alone or in the world alone. Instead, he becomes centered in the harmony which is caused by the giving and receiving from one to the other. This plane of existence is necessary, and already there whether you know it or not, because no opposites or differentials can exist unless there is relation between them. The child, the savior, is what could be called meaning, some call it significance, the chinese call it Tao, Japanese call it Zen or Satori, Buddhists call it Nirvana, Christians call it heaven, God, or being in the presence of God. The child gives meaning to the two opposites that created it, the man and the woman, or whatever created a metaphorical child. In this sense, the child is father to the man as it gives the man meaning, and is truly one with the father. Doesn't the trinity make sense now? One, yet individual, the son is the father and the father the son?

Each element taken by itself is just a tool, a lifeless quantity that God or whatever you want to refer to it as shapes and gives meaning to. Meaning itself cannot be described, only experienced, and only experienced when there is such love between yourself and the world that what the union results in is more than either, just as to husband and wife the child is more than themselves.
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Old 02-20-07, 04:47 AM   #2
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I won't pretend that I completely understand everything after only one reading, but I get the basis of what's being said, more so in the section about melody vs. sound in particular, and as far as I can see, you're pretty fuckin right.
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Old 02-20-07, 05:03 AM   #3
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Old 02-21-07, 04:43 AM   #4
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Yeah ok..

Condense what you said into a paragraph..

Or maybe I'll read the whole thing tomorrow when I'm off my head on acid.....lol
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Old 02-21-07, 04:50 AM   #5
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You condense it, that's how long it was when I wrote it.
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Old 02-22-07, 10:57 PM   #6
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Read the whole thing...

Sounds like you take life very seriously..........


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Old 02-23-07, 01:08 AM   #7
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This shit is there whether you take life seriously or not. And it also depends what you mean by take life seriously.
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Old 02-23-07, 03:22 AM   #8
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God damn.....U just droppin knowledge on kids huh ? lol

yeah man, i agree with this ..... it basically breaks down to, I mean if you want to look at it scientifically for a second.....everything in existence is energy...like, the same energy, so everything and everyone is/are connected. law of attraction shit. and what you touched on about either being too into you,or too into the world, doesn't mean your not still connected..even though most people see themselves as individuals ...instead of a collective conscious, it could be viewed as a bad kidney in a still functional life form... ...except theirs still a chance that person could be "inlightend"..

the melody analogy was pretty tight too.....

I do see the christ story as actual events thought, and the horus and Isis and boodah and all...it was all the same dude, just told by different people..Nimrod..or Toth..

I actually think i did a paper about some of it..maybe i'll post it
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what is all this from? link or citation please
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Old 02-25-07, 05:03 AM   #10
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This is just shit I've learnt over the years from experience, reading, and talking. I could give you details of a few books with little bits of this kind of info around in them, but it is much more spread out and not as concise as what is written in this thread.
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