I call them arabs or hindus, the ones with the turbans arabs, everyone else hindu...sometimes guinese. Sorry, but im too lazy to learn all that shit and i just dont care enough.

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Paki is an offensive term, because it is used by racists to refer to Pakistani - so instead of blaming me for finding it offensive, why don't you blame yourself for not being able to use a more appropriate term?

It is deragatory because that is what the purpose of it is - Now once again, as I mentioned in my last post and as you argue, why should it be offensive if it is used as a shortened term?

Considering this word is used by racists, how do I know who uses it to offend and who uses it as a shortened version?

Instead of blaming me, blame yourselves for not being able to use another alternative - the fact is, the history of this word is so that it has been used predominately by racists with the sole purpose to offend, so why should I accept it as a viable term that can be used to describe me?

So fuck being lazy, and just use Pakistani - as I said, I accept Paki is a shorter version but the context of the word is not so that it can be used by the ordinary man - people still use this word to offend people like me...

Again, I have no idea about that cricket commentator....if he uses it though, it does not mean he is correct....he might or you might use it without a bad intention, but try telling that to people who are insulted daily simply because it was initially used to insult...and that's it

So your a racist as soon as you call a brit a brit.

If i was going to be racist, is say a lot more than Paki, believe me.

A more appropriate term you say, tell me one other than pakastani. Cause you wouldnt go calling an aussie australien in open conversation, i guarantee that.

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Thats not just one person,


english, australian and pakistni commentators all refer to the team as the pakis when a game is on.

Its acceptable as they know its not used in abusive context.

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Ok your still misunderstanding my main points....

Firstly, the term Brit was never 'intended' to be used as a racist term and when used predominately today, it IS NOT used as a racist term...

On the other hand, Paki was 'intended' to be racists and today is used predominately as a racist term...

There is a difference, right?

Underlying all this is the intention of the person -

Brit - If someone uses this term with the intention of offending the person simply because of their race, yes, they are a racist...

Paki - If a peson uses this term with the intention to offend it is racist also...

The difference is, Paki was intended to be a racist term - so why should a person use it knowing that most of the people that use it are racist, and that if said to a Pakistani they will find it offensive

As with Brit, it was not intended to be racist...so if someone calls you it, you do not expect them to be racist (whereas you would expect a person using Paki to be racists) - however, the person maybe using it as a racist term in which case it is wrong

The difference is the context of the word - I hope you understand this point....this is my main point, the context of the word...

If you were going to be racist you would say a lot more than Paki?

What's your point....? The fact is, racists use this term to be racists and even racists say a lot more than just that, but that doesn't mean the term becomes 'un-racist' all of a sudden...


I told you, a more appropriate term would be Asian - people use this to describe Pakistanis and Indians, and because it was never intended to be racist (racists would never really use this) Pakistanis and Indians do not find it offensive, or shall I say, they do not EXPECT it to be offensive when the term is used....

^Its in the persons opinion, someone can say paki cuz they dont feel like saying the whole word and they dont have to be racist...the same way you say brit, you dont mean it, but just because someone says paki dont mean theyre racist.

And paki's/indians, etc. should not be classified under Asian...Asian is like korea,japanese, chinese, etc. everyone with slanted eyes and shit (yes they have slanted eyes wtf else am i gonna explain them with), people get mad protective over shit so theyll be all oh you're racist for sayin slanted eyes etc. =/

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Go read every single post I have made - Just because a person says Paki it does not mean they are racist, but if they know it is used racists but say it not be racist themselves then they are being stupid...

But most people use that term to be racists here in England anyway...I should know - you won't find the common person using that term, they know it is politically incorrect...

As for the second part, well Pakistan and India are part of the Asian continent - and here in the U.K we are referred to as Asians and no one has a problem with it generally...so it is a much more appropriate term than Paki...

Yeh

And I don't blame the common people, it is actually the fault of these racist morons who have shaped the meaning of this word sadly...

Rather than focusing on those who say it and arguing on their behalf, look at those who may be insulted by this word i.e are the victims of it...

I'm pakistani and i can't relate to being called that word. but i do know that it's offensive to Pakistani's, Indians, Bangladeshi's all those southern Asians there might be a history of shit u don't know but the truth is it's hard fo me considering my name is Osama and over here people can't tell the difference between an Indian and an Arab. But on the real the word Paki is just lazy racism in the end.

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This is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read..

You talk about paki not being an abreviation of pakistani, but you give absolutly no reference to what it really is. And by logical assumption Paki is the first 4 letters of pakistani therefore it is a shortened version.

And whether or not it has been used in the past as a derrogatory term, it in no way can be related to the word nigger. Nigger is classafied as a disparaging term for a dark skinned race derrived from the french word neger for 'black person', it has actual meaning and is not an abreviation.

Paki, while it is believed to be a disparaging term and is classafied as 'offencive slang'. He is compleatly correct that it is nothing more than an abreviation and carries the same weight in conversation as 'aussie' for an Australian, or 'windy' for a person from the west indies. The only time someone should get offended by this term is when it is used in an offencive mannor. If someone says "I was jus chillin with a few of my paki mates" ...How the fuck is that offencive?

You cannot put this word in the same classification as nigger and anyone who does is looking for an excuse to winge when it is not warrented.

And dont let me catch you trying to say its not an abreviation again either. Becuase its right there in the dictionary. "[Short for PAKISTANI.]"

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oh my god, what fucking dumb argument.

Pakistanis are idiots if they are offended by the term paki. I mean for fucks sake. "You're a paki." ... no matter how its said, if I was from pakistan i'd go, "yeah... I am... what about it?"

It WOULD be offensive, however, if someone were to say "those fuckin pakis are always terrorists" or "Yeah he stole a TV, but what do you expect from a paki." But that in no way makes the term paki a racist term. Its just a way to refer to pakistanis. What is racist is the surrounding clauses.

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You have to be blind to to look at the word Paki and not realise that it is OBVIOUSLY an abbreviation of Pakistani - I was not denying this, I was rather pointing out that its use of purpose here in the U.K is not as a shortened version of the fuller word to describe a Pakistani, but rather as an offensive term...understand?

I never said it could be related to Nigger - just quote me saying that in fact, I was actually responding to the argument that it is not offensive if it is not said in an offensive way...though this may be true, (people use Nigger all the time, even black people have embraced the word to describe themselves) I still do not think the case is as simple as that....same with Paki in that sense, because it has for a while not been used to describe Pakistani but is more of a racist term, so just because a person may say it in a nice way, why should it still be used?

Paki may be on the face of it, an abbreviation however you cannot classify it in the same category as Aussie, or Brit, because of the history and context of which this word is commonly used - rather than you dictating in an idealistic way what is right and what is wrong, why don't you go ask Pakistanis if they like this term?

I guarantee you 99% in the U.K will say no, because of the fact this word was used to insult and not as an abbreviation...the purpose is different to what the word actually is, and if you read my post I actually mentioned this - so if we Pakistanis do not like this word (because of the reasons I have mentioned) then who the fuck are you to use this term to describe us? Understand my point....?

I never put it in the same category as Nigger, hence why I even mentioned that I knew the difference in terms of history between the words....and I have already mentioned why I made my comparison....if I was like you, I could easily argue why a black person should find nigger offensive, if it is not said in an offensive way...

The fact is, that would be totally disregarding the history of the word....black people do not like that word because it was used to insult them...Pakistanis don't like Paki in the U.K because it is a deragory term and was used to insult them...so why should either accept the word? This is regardless of Paki being an abbreviation, because as I mentioned earlier Paki was never used as a substitute to be an abbreviation for Pakistani, but was rather a term used to insult Pakistanis...when a normal person uses the word knowingly, it is not something a Pakistani will like....so once again

Instead of being a bitch and arguing in favour of the user, why don't you argue for the victims? If we don't like this word...then who the fuck are you to use it?

Simple

Not of that alters the fact that you should be proud of your heritage.
Someone calls you a paki, say and what, that suppost to offend me...your a fuckin brit...etc.

No harm in it.

PS, out of interest where in the UK you at.

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