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Old 01-02-06, 08:38 PM   #16
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I think of it like this: Everyone on earth has been influenced by other people and the world. None of us were born with everything we know. So to me, being put in hell for all eternity for what you did doesn't make sense. We are taught this, raised this way. If we go to hell then the people who influenced us to be that way should be punished to right? But even they were influenced. Since God has a son then maybe there is another world? I'm sorry, but believing any religion is hard to me, for one reason only: PEOPLE LIE. Religion has burned so many philosophy books to keep people in order what can you believe? The whole point that everything needs to have a beginning is contradicted with god's existance anyway right? That would be a paradox to every single thing we've learned. God could be a control tool or simply a guess to put our minds at ease.
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Old 01-02-06, 08:42 PM   #17
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How about God Isn't all knowing.

I mean the only reason we are led to believe he is is through the bible, which is one of the most untrustworthy books around.

Maybe we were created to see what we do with our lives. Maybe our entire purpose in living is for some entity on a higher plane of existance to study how we act, what we do and why we do it.

oh god, here we go with your Angels And Demons type shit.

I remember when you read that, and repped the shit in your sig for MONTHS.
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Old 01-02-06, 08:45 PM   #18
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religion is the biggest cult out there, seriously, but then again, it does help some people to go, but i think its a big joke, just because of yeah, human beings are untrustworthy, and who says the ones before us lived without deception and hate? who was there to live it and back up arguments? all we have is a bunch of books
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Its called faith turd-face. You cant seek logical and secular answers for a question that isnt logical or secular.
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Old 01-02-06, 08:48 PM   #20
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Ok, so what if right now I said "ayo son, I saw god in the kitchen scramblin eggs". Of course I have no proof to show you. But I said it.. so have faith.
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Yep, pretty much my point.
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oh god, here we go with your Angels And Demons type shit.

I remember when you read that, and repped the shit in your sig for MONTHS.


I'd still have it there if coudl find the pics.

but that had nothin to do with Angels And Demons? I was talking about something completely different to everything in the book.

Except the Bible I guess, But I'v always found the whole thing hard to believe.
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I'd still have it there if coudl find the pics.

but that had nothin to do with Angels And Demons? I was talking about something completely different to everything in the book.

Except the Bible I guess, But I'v always found the whole thing hard to believe.

you had the whole "jesus is a false idol" thing going on, which, i dont think hes an idol. Hes a symbol. Its not like you see people rocking white robes and jesus sandals around town trying to be god.
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jesus has been way too commercialized to engulf the world into christianity, meh, i believe in what jesus stood for, not what the churches tell me and tell me to think....watch stigmata, that shit is good
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jesus has been way too commercialized to engulf the world into christianity, meh, i believe in what jesus stood for, not what the churches tell me and tell me to think....watch stigmata, that shit is good

Hes been way to commercial? its the people using his image, lol, its not like hes hanging up billboards of himself advertising car sales.
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i didn't say it was jesus' fault, lmlo...i said his image has been commercialized
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you had the whole "jesus is a false idol" thing going on, which, i dont think hes an idol. Hes a symbol. Its not like you see people rocking white robes and jesus sandals around town trying to be god.


Maybe Idol was the wrong word then. I said that mainly talking in a bad way about christianity, becuase personally i dont believe Jesus as we know him ever existed.

We know now that Christianity lied to us and tricked us hundreds of years ago. Peasants were told they would go to hell if theydidnt worship god, they paid money into an already extremely wealthy church so that clergy could get richer.

Maybe christianity today is totally about following Jesus, I doubt it, but it might be.

I'm pretty tired so chances are hat doesnt even make sense :/
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Maybe Idol was the wrong word then. I said that mainly talking in a bad way about christianity, becuase personally i dont believe Jesus as we know him ever existed.

We know now that Christianity lied to us and tricked us hundreds of years ago. Peasants were told they would go to hell if theydidnt worship god, they paid money into an already extremely wealthy church so that clergy could get richer.

Maybe christianity today is totally about following Jesus, I doubt it, but it might be.

I'm pretty tired so chances are hat doesnt even make sense :/

We know that they tricked us because a fictional book said so? ahh... Gotchhha. Plus, that is mistakes of people, not god. You cant take the decisions of a church and say it was god.
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We know that they tricked us because a fictional book said so? ahh... Gotchhha. Plus, that is mistakes of people, not god. You cant take the decisions of a church and say it was god.


A church is humans. So youre saying you cant take the word of a human to be the word of God (the bible, theologists), and you're also saying you can't trust history books.

I guess its true. But I trust "modern history today" or whatever more than the bible. The bible is probably grossly misstranslated because of lingual barriers, and words are what determine the meaning of something...
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We dont know the word of god. Thats what im trying to say. Humans Lied, Christianity lied. If someone in this day and age tells you they'v spoken to god, nobody believes him.

People were gullible. Trying to communicate with God would be the same as Trying to communicate witha dead person.
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