Originally Posted by .Ike.

im not talking about NFL potential...you dont have to be a great NFL player to be a great college player. I hope you dont think that if your talent doesnt transfer into the NFL..then you were never an elite player...just look at the Heisman list..and tell me how many NFL hall of famers are on that list...some..yes...but a large percentage were average or not even good in the NFL. See, Troy Smith...See, Matt Leinart...Need i bring up Ryan Leaf? Leaf was ELITE in college..damn near unstoppable..and he should forever be remembered as one of the great college QB's. And, If you dont think Tim Tebow is a GREAT college quarterback..well frankly..your just fucking stupid.

and the only thing i said about VY..was that he always found a way to win somehow...i never said he would be a great NFL QB..he just always seemed to do enough to get the W is all i said...which he did. A lot of that had to do with a great D.

we shall agree to disagree...id take a great D...youd take a great O