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Old 11-03-09, 10:54 AM   #1
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Our arms aren't a pat of god. It's a specific part of us that is God: our souls. Non living things are things we created unless we didn't create them like stars etc etc which then is considered a creation of God but not a part of his physical self. EVERY living thing has dimethlytyptamine in it. Humans, sharks, birds, insects. With a basic chemist setup the chemical dimethyltryptamine can actually be extracted from blades of grass. The pineal gland located in the center of our brains pumps massive ammounts of dimethyltryptamine through our brains neuron passageways during heavy-REM sleep causing us to have hallucinations which we refer to as dreams; we don't remember experiencing these dreams unless we are exposed to dimethyltryptamine while awake rather then asleep as it occurs naturally and even then you will forget the experience or it will become hazy within five minutes. People remember by recording themselves talking about it as soon as the experience is over. These dreams are different then dreams during light-non REM sleep which is just our subconcious picking up our imagination while we're semi-concious at the final stage of sleep before we wake up. There's ways to differentiate these two forms of "dreams" but I won't bother with that. Our pineal gland is literally like a third eye. In reptiles it actually has a retina, a cornea and a lens. A fucking table doesn't have dimethyltryptamine in it.

You take DMT when you're awake, you experience some wild shit and spiritual manifestations that appear to be physical beings which you can communicate with and touch and feel, which I believe to be God. There's a relation between a fucking chemical our own brains produce everytime we enter heavy-REM sleep being the same chemical that can be found in every living eco-system in the world.

If you believe in ANY God that created life, then this means you believe God created a pineal gland that pumps this shit through our brain. And you believe God also put this shit in every living entity this universe posseses. This means you believe that God created us with the intention to experience dimethyltryptamine. These are facts. It is my theory that dimethyltryptamine is what a "soul" consists of and that our soul is a part of God and should you witness this or study this yourself you'd understand this to be very, very plausible.

Motherfucker I read Dr. Rick Strassman's book on DMT based on his clinical studies conducted at the university of New Mexico. Don't think for a second that I don't know wtf I'm talking about

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Old 11-03-09, 11:12 AM   #2
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oh so now you're not going to reply huh.

you can be a good person and apologise for being stubborn and admit you're wrong now. It has similarities but it's not pantheism or a branch of pantheism. It's omni-intraomnianism.

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Old 11-03-09, 11:36 AM   #3
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So God created everything, then created life, and every life form has a chemical in it that relates everything to each other, and so either:

A. God as a being comparable to a human, is everything and is in everything, created everything and everything is a part of either him (non-atheistic panentheism) or it (atheistic panentheism)
B. God as a being does not exist, instead everything is God (as in pantheism) and this God (as in pantheism) is in everything as well (panentheism) and therefore this belief is Spinozism.

or is it something else that we can categorize as one of the mainstream views of this world's pantheistic thinkers?

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Old 11-03-09, 11:53 AM   #4
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No, because pantheism doesn't believe in a personal God and my God is. They believe we are part of God as a whole, we aren't, only our souls are. Which makes God a part of our souls. It's not everything, it's everything that man didn't create. And like I said, empty space, stars, the sky, gravity, air, oxygen, a stick of deodorant, cement, an asteroid, comet, etc etc are not a part of God.

So not everything is a part of God which pantheists believe. Only everything with DMT is a part of God.

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Old 11-03-09, 12:48 PM   #5
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Why would I say that I'm sorry?

You are a spinozist who says the exact same thing as Spinoza, except you are also saying "And the thing that bonds us all together is (God) a chemical that came from God."

oh my, how radical of you, Spinozist.
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Old 11-03-09, 10:39 PM   #6
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Why would I say that I'm sorry?

You are a spinozist who says the exact same thing as Spinoza, except you are also saying "And the thing that bonds us all together is (God) a chemical that came from God."

oh my, how radical of you, Spinozist.


"except"

shut the fuck up you ignorant mother fucker. You don't know shit
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Old 11-04-09, 07:56 AM   #7
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"except"

shut the fuck up you ignorant mother fucker. You don't know shit

oh, now i see why you wanna hate on 2v, because you are a homo. as i've been trying to tell you for over a month now, i wish you would just come out of the closet and take a raping from me with a smile
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Old 11-04-09, 11:55 AM   #8
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oh, now i see why you wanna hate on 2v, because you are a homo. as i've been trying to tell you for over a month now, i wish you would just come out of the closet and take a raping from me with a smile


so.. you want to... rape me?

and you have a picture with your shirt off in your sig...

and uh...

im homo?

Lol.. i've met more girl in tokyo then you've met in your life bud
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Old 11-04-09, 10:38 AM   #9
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shut the fuck up you ignorant mother fucker. You don't know shit


When god, the creator, becomes a chemical, that is in all living things, and bonds all living things together,

then the only thing different, the only 'exception', is the fact that God becomes a chemical.

=o

and whether or not God becomes a chemical, Spinoza still predicted absolutely everything you're talking about.

In other words, when you publicly release your 'philosophy' under self proclaimed 'religion', it will be regarded widely as Pantheism, and furthermore, it will higher raise Spinoza's name in history, and yours will become an attribute.

This is how philosophy works.

Painful not being very new at all, hm?

All it took to come up with your idea was to have 300 year old concepts of the universe and reading a freaking book on the drug DMT.
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Old 11-04-09, 01:05 PM   #10
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When god, the creator, becomes a chemical, that is in all living things, and bonds all living things together,

then the only thing different, the only 'exception', is the fact that God becomes a chemical.

=o

and whether or not God becomes a chemical, Spinoza still predicted absolutely everything you're talking about.

In other words, when you publicly release your 'philosophy' under self proclaimed 'religion', it will be regarded widely as Pantheism, and furthermore, it will higher raise Spinoza's name in history, and yours will become an attribute.

This is how philosophy works.

Painful not being very new at all, hm?

All it took to come up with your idea was to have 300 year old concepts of the universe and reading a freaking book on the drug DMT.


I am fully aware of what Spinozism is and I have done a lot of studying on this prior to ever discussing it with you.

Spinozism is a branch of Monism, it's a monist philosophy. Monism states that the universe, as a whole, is what "God" consists of. The religious/spiritual aspect of my philosophy does not believe that the Universe as a whole is what God cosists of, but that God consists of a specific physical self with branches of that specific physical self subsiding in a specific point inside all things living as a whole. That is to say that not even all living things as a whole are what God consists of, but only the "soul" within these living things (which is only one specific portion) is a branch of a form which is what consists of. Therefore the religious/spiritual aspect of my philosophy cannot be considered a branch of monism or a monist philosophy.

Regarding Spinozism, spinozism states that God is self-subsisent. This would mean that God lives through anything external to itself. My God does not live through anything external to itself, it only lives through it's one specific form of self and that self also consists of branches of itself which live through the soul in all forms of life external to itself. Thus to say that a blade of grass would not not be part of God, but only the DMT within the blade of grass is a part of God.

Also the more psychological part of Spinozism and less spiritual aspect claims that we posses three levels of intelligence, and that one of these levels: intuition, is the highest level we are abble to concieve. The psychological aspect of my philosophy differs from this as I believe the highest level of intelligence is achieved through a new level of conciousness yet to be experienced but has been discovered and is atainable through DMT.

Also bud, Spinoza preached karma. I don't believe in Karma, and I don't believe what goes around comes around. That whole one action affects the entire outcome of the universe type shit. I just moved my headphones an inch to the side. Say I didn't, I'd finish typing this a second earlier, watch my movie and go to bed a second earlier and then wake up at the same exact time I would have anyways cuz my alarm clock is set. That move had no effect on what happens in my future and the future of everything else in the Universe. But Spinoza would STRONGLY disagree. Like he said, he's all about the butterfly effect. Everything is a wave in an ocean and each wave affects the outcome of the other wave.

FURHTERMORE, I do not believe that everything happens for a reason or that the universe is determistic as Spinoza taught.

So holy fuck me, there's a lot more "EXCEPTS" then just that one except you stated.

But lets just agree to disagree.

I believe I know my shit and you believe you know my shit better then me and we'll leave it at that.
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Old 11-03-09, 11:28 PM   #11
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Possibly be true possibly not. I was replying to the topics in general because everyone is seeing everyones point of view. Do you think childish direct arguments back and forth people will sit and read. Considering the fact that no one hardly posts on here or loox on here anymore so why would they read comments that would probably scare the shit out of them to read because they cant except other opinions in beliefs. We will go on and on and we could both be wrong or right the ? is was it really worth it to talk shit or do you feel better now?
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Old 11-04-09, 12:38 AM   #12
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uh it wasn't childish we were discussing philosophy. You just said the same thing that everyone else has already said for 9 pages but you said it 3 times as long... that's gay dude. I was discussing a new untouched topic to someone directly who I know would read what I would have to say
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Old 11-04-09, 12:44 AM   #13
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Naw i was stating my opinion and belief on this subject honestly i read the first few posts than i posted. It comes down to you gettin mad at my post bein to long lol. Sorry hahaha
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Old 11-04-09, 01:19 AM   #14
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Old 11-04-09, 10:46 PM   #15
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you don't know your shit because you don't explain it, and when you do explain it, it doesn't make any form of fucking sense.

Intuition means the perception of truth.

'OHHHHH DMT GIVES US A NEW LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND WHEN WE REACH IT WE CAN PERCEIVE THE TRUTH.'

=o

reverse back to your first paragraph, monism is its own branch, pantheism is its own branch, sometimes they correlate. Also, Spinoza's determinism strictly means that the universe could have happened NO OTHER WAY. Everything happened perfectly in Spinoza's eyes, so saying that everything happens for a reason is Spinoza's determinism is way off buddy.

And frankly, I fail to see how a guy who is not loaded on the drug he praises so fucking highly, 100% of the time that he spends alive, is supposed to be defending attaining a higher consciousness on the drug.

I believe your mentality in regards to DMT is comparable to the cult "Heaven's Gate" and their mentality regarding the comet that fucking hit them and killed them all.

Sure they can preach the heck out of it, but how can a person preach riding a comet to heaven if they aren't riding a comet to heaven? It's easy,

just make a bunch of shit up and believe it.

goodnight.
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