im sorry..


it wasnt untill european colonization of africa that shit started getting fucked up?


isnt that a sure fire proven result that european society was more dominant and advanced than africans. what point are you trying to prove?

You're fucking babbling about some bullshit you don't even understand in the first place and trying to look intelligent with it.

My point of view isn't tainted in any way at all. Africa never had a flourishing land with a society as advanced as the European society before colonization. What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think they would have actually sold slaves and did whatever the fuck Europe told them if they did? Fuck living in a 2008 point of view, you're living in a fucking race point of view, which actually makes YOU the racist.

My question was about different races have different drives/desires and if that would have been the determining factor to where and why we are what we are today. "The world only became like how it is now recently." No, no it fucking didn't. You're thinking from an American point of view and you're thinking wrong.

maybe the white guys didnt "advance technology" maybe we just took all the credit...but yet again bill gates couldnt be anything but white

first of all, as talksic has stated your completely out of whack with your beleif that africa was poor until the europeans brought "their money". as it is well known all money is based on solid wealth, such as gold and diamonds which africa was and still is flooded with. africans just didnt have as strong a value on it until europeans showed up. and that was only because of the trade value it held with europeans. second when africans first used slaves among themselves they weren't slaves for life. then and even the slaves initially sold to europeans were prisoners of war and convicted criminals. yes after the initial monetary gain, lesser citizens were sold off by the king.this lasted until europeans started stealing as many citizens as they can, including royalty. so yes africa was slightly fucked up, but it was multiplied to the tenth degree after european integration. but as red bull said, this thread wasnt really meant to be an argument of races, so ill add to the initial discussion in the next post

the idea of technological advancment has and always will be based on need and want. most races such africans, asians, and native americans didnt have as much of a greed factor as europeans. not saying all europeans, normally royals, nobals, and merchant. this in turn created a system based on monetary gain (which truly is the backbone of technological advancment). the constant arms race of the world, which started in Europe, is a sprint to have superior weapons. superior weaponry, easier chance to conquer others and take their land. other advancments such candles, clothes, other things were based on needs. and needs are all in the minds of the people needing them. such as the lengths different races went to in terms of their clothing. from straw shirts to wool pants. most races didnt feel the need to go to the same lengths in technology as europeans.


^^^^^just my personal theory but a lot of it is based on fact.



all of these advances gave europeans the want and ability to take over the world. so all of the advances given to the world by these advances initially meant nothing to other cultures. so yes europeans fucked up the world. but by fucking it up they made it better in the long run. (i probably just feel this ways because the integration into your culture brainwashed me to think just as you do :thumbup: ) and even in that since, every culture brought somethin better to the table or else why was their an initial want by the europeans to trade with them? asians had silk, which was almost as sought after by europeans as gold. Africans had a far more superior system of learning. and native americans were extremly better agriculture and understanding of the land.

But why did the European's have this drive? This is the initial question, was the white race born with a different desire than the other races?

^^^yea that same question went through my head when i was writing this. thats the unexplained. i guess it was just some random shit. who knows. one little seemingly insignificant thing couldve sparked it off. it all comes down to one simple question to me. what race discovered the wheel. it seems whoever did mightve had the upper hand on technology. and judging by the outcome im guessing it was european ancestors

"first of all, as talksic has stated your completely out of whack with your beleif that africa was poor until the europeans brought "their money"."

does that not change the fact that they got rich from us buying their slaves? Uhhh... It was worth money so they rounded up their people from the forests and dragged them to the fucking shore, themselves, and sold them to merchants.

But as I figured, people would ignore my point.

"But why did the European's have this drive? This is the initial question, was the white race born with a different desire than the other races?"

My presented explanation was that they built their societies differently BASED ON RACE, (Even Kings and Emperors had different rules. For example, Kings with divine right vs. Appointed kings under an Emperor which is the "will of heaven") and because of their race and decisions to build a society structure a certain way, they grew differently.

okay now i agree with your answers to reds question. but as far as the rich thing all i was stating was that they were already rich and didnt realize the value of what they possesed. by the european standards of money, im sure there were a many kings and maybe even a few normal people who were richer than the europeans who they sold the slaves to. but after this new system of buying and selling was installed, they of course wanted more money. you also forget that a lot of rich africans were robbed of all valuable possesions as well.

wow, i'm seriously gonna give up trying to convince anybody on this board to think. everybody has their set attitudes and personalities that they're gonna stick with 100% in order to preserve their self-confidence.

I'M racist for saying that the reason Africa is the way it is is because of European colonization??? how the fuck do you gather that? read a fucking history book, i just took AFRI 101 Intro to African Civilization, and ANY scholar will tell you thats what caused it... like, its not even a debatable topic.
its history.

oh, and Nos - define "better" and "more advanced".

from what point of view? see, even that is ethnocentric to a European way of thinking. who says being "advanced" isn't living happily in tribes that are totally self-sufficient and make the best use out of every part of the Earth we live on? see, even what you think of as being "successful" is tainted by our society.

What's mostly funny is that it's you vs. an entire board of people who are always arguing with you.

I think it's just time for you to admit you're wrong, that's a little easier than trying to convince people to think like a moron. :thumbup:

Teevy has a point but hes just as stubborn as the rest of us when getting his point across. you might not see it man but from our point of view your doing the same thing. even i am. im trying not to but i cant help it. unless somone completly makes u a believer you're always gonna perceive the points you make as right. you might respect someone elses decision, but if you dont jump to that side youll never acept the entire thing as truth. a good example of this would be 2v. man why u always think the entire site dont wanna see your point. no ones picking you out everyone is doing it to everyone.

Well damn if niggas would just grasp the shit from the damn start I wouldn't have to mother fucking split headaches over it.. I find it stressful having to reenact my fucking point with words constantly to get people to understand it. Stop pointing me out for your examples whore

if you look at the people on this website, the fact that the majority of the site disagrees with me on political and social issues actually makes my side of the argument more valid.

i guess this site can't handle an educated, liberal-thinking individual... which is funny considering its a rap site and most people on here claim to be both liberal and educated.