Why I don't like 95% of christians.
 

Well, first of all, there is the matter of the impenetrable web of excuses and beliefs that makes absolutely no sense at all.

For example, the way Christians perceive prayer. You talk to nothing, or think something to yourself and God hears it. If you pray that a friend of yours recovers from being sick, and he does, then it’s a miracle. If you pray for him to recover and he dies, then it was a good thing, because god helped him by bringing him “to a better place.”

And I can’t stand those people who say, “It makes sense that God exists. How could he not exist? Look at the universe. It doesn’t make sense to say that God doesn’t exist.”

Everybody goes there when I question their beliefs. Well let me tell you what I THINK doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense that you believe in an invisible MAN (yes man. The Christian god is a “he”) that is all loving and all merciful with infinite grace. Last time I checked, condemning somebody to eternal damnation, pain, and suffering for questioning your existence using the intelligence you gave them is NOT merciful, or loving and is nowhere near graceful.

Also, if you believe:
-He impregnated a 13-year-old virgin girl.
-In the ritual of blood atonement, killing something pure so you can get rid of your impurities (i.e. Jesus)
-Believing in such a God makes you righteous, despite the atrocities or evils you may have committed.
-Believing in God makes you a better person than everyone else

Then you are really not thinking logically. I think its pretty stupid to blindly believe something you were told. I was a Christian when I was younger, but I grew out of it. As soon as I was smart enough to think philosophically, I questioned the very nature of religion and stopped calling myself a Christian. Its just not smart to believe in something irrational. What kind of sick God would create a race with enough intelligence to question his existence and then give us no proof of his existence (don’t say the bible. I mean direct proof). What does he expect us to do? Of course some people wont believe. If that’s the case, then the Christian god is nothing but a kid with a magnifying glass.

Im not saying there is absolutely no spiritual side to life. Im saying all forms of Christianity and belief in the Christian God do not appeal to me in any way.

Please, christians, argue with me... Give me a reason to believe. And dont say some shit like "Well you can believe what you want. But just know that judgement day will come and then you'll be punished. Christianity isnt about facts, you idiot, its about faith." Faith = blind belief.

Why are you people bent on attempting to discredit anything involving Christianity? I find it funny that Christians are always more persecuted that other religions, including secular Humanism. Dawg, no disrespect, but no dedicated Christian cares that you "don't like" them. Christians in the past have been crucified, burned alive, skinned, hanged, and tortured for professing their faith. Ya'lls little hang ups don't change the fact that we all will reap what we sow.



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Don't worry... I don't like blacks jews or mexicans

One thing that you fail to realize is that its not our position to argue with you about our belief, because you have proven by the time spent on the thread that no matter what we say, your mind wont be changed. For centuries WE gave you (the world) multiple reasons to believe, actually, we gave you all the reasons to believe in Christanity. But, when it comes down to it, it is your choice, but i'm not going to say that your going to be condemned for eternity, because its not my place to state where your future lies. Its a choice, choose it or not, it makes me no difference. Just realize that the only person that your convincing about things concerning our religion not making any sense is yourself. Instead of being so logical about everything, just relax and actually listen to the world and whats happening to it and what has happened. Why do we have a world? WHy are we alive? Etc. When you think about it, anything beyond our comprihension doesn't make sence. I could go on and on with questions that we dont have answers to. But when it comes to MY religion, everything is perfectly clear whether you understand or not. When you build a relationship with the so called "invisible man" that you speak of, then you will began to understand. But the things that float at the bottom of the sea are always unclear until you take the chance to dive into the unknown.

Q: Im not bent on discrediting it. Its the largest religion in the world. And I would completely rip into a secular humanist, if I ever came across one... but I never have.

And what do you mean by "you people"? Thats just the kind of thing im talking about. Thinking you are superior, and dont say you dont, because its obvious you do. I dont know the nature of your faith, nor do I know much about your personality so this possibly might not even be directed at you. If there is a SOLID reason you are a christian, and you truly attempt to uphold the teachings of jesus then I dont have aything wrong with you. Notice it says 95% in the title. The majority of christians are straight up sheep. Believing something illogical, for no reason at all and not even acting like a christian.

But then there are the other 5%... The perfect example of this is a biology teacher at where I work. Hes a dope guy... real laid back, loves nature, enjoys his life. Ive had a lot of good conversations with him about religion and his faith... He is a christian. He explained to me his reasons for believing in Jesus, and they were sound. He is an educated guy who conciously and with much thought made his decision. I have nothing against that. What I hate is when people are dumbasses, dont even think about anything and believe what theyre told blindly.

G deuce: Ive got a preliminary degree in theology... Ive studied the bible, I used to be a christian. I've "been to the bottom of the ocean" to use your analogy. And I made my choice not to be a christian. I am, however, a spiritual guy.. There are other answers to those questions besides the ones offered in religion.

anyway I gotta go now. ill probably write more later.

Yea.
These fucking priest at my church keep saying it's all about fucking faith.
I know there's more to it than just that.

OMB...What you're saying is a bit arrogant and pompous. Your co-worker's faith is acceptable only because YOU approve? Dawg, come on. Furthermore, "you people" meant RV members and their constant "Screw Christianity" threads. (Not saying you're saying SCREW it).

I'm also educated and studied biology. I am under NO obligation (as Gdeuce said) to validate my belief to you. I will say this, however. I have reconciled the seemingly "conflicting" views of science and the bible's account of creation. There is no contradiction in me. If you are genuine and not trying to discredit Christianity, why not make a thread called, "Why do you believe in Jesus?" Otherwise, this thread comes off as more anti-Christian propoganda, which you are certainly free to disseminate.




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ONE MORE THING. I don't have a degree in theology, but have read the bible many times and studied it. I have been in or around church all of my life. So, you have to know that being "good" is not acceptable in the christian view to guarantee "salvation". You have simply chosen to reject it.

That was just an example, that biology guy. Im not saying I have to approve of your faith for you to be a valid christian or something. What im saying is the reasons he believe are understandable to me. But if I were to ask every christian why they believe, about 95% of answers would be stupid. Some people are "christians" because they grew up in a christian family. They go to church, but they dont understand anything. They probably havent accepted christ as their salvation, and they probably have never repented for their sins. They are the christians I hate. They are not committed to it and never really think about what it means to be christian. I say the same things to them that I said in this thread, and they just disagree... without even giving me a reason.

Your reasons probably are alright. I dont know a lot about them, but judging by the way you had an epiphany of sorts and came to a realisation, it must have been something decent.

In no way am I saying that I for some reason, am some superior bastard. I WISH I could bring myself to truly believe in any religion, especially christianity. But I just cant. I would be lying to myself if I said I believed it... I have no right to tell people what to do, or to judge people. But I do have the right to feel annoyed by certain peoples actions. And it urks me to see people blindly follow something illogical, without solid reason. When I call christianity illogical, it isnt demeaning. Love is illogical... you do stupid things when youre in love. But im glad that I have experienced love, even though it brings out irrational behaviour. So just because something is illogical, doesnt mean its bad... But there has to be a reason for me to do it in the first place. And a good enough reason for me to want to be christian hasnt arisen yet.

I do understand that just being good and doing good deeds isnt enough to save you. But is it not true that if you do believe you are saved by jesus, you should be doing those good deeds anyway?

OMB........ you need Jesus........


case and point

Thats exactly the kind of thing im talking about.

I need jesus... For what exactly, and why?

i was raised christian, basically in a christina community...my experiences is that belief is there to help you cope with life. i've read most of the bible, and can relate to alot of stories, but i don't put my full belief in christianity mainly because i found my own ways of dealing with life....not to knock on christianity, its a good thing to people who seek salvation within themselves, but just doesn't work for some people.

some good stuff in here.

To think that one man created us and gave us light and everythin else he supposedly did...I cant honestly take that seriously...S'all a bunch of bullshit to me, and I openly co-sign the fuck christian statment from Terumoto

Genesis could be a metaphor you know. 7 God days could be a billion years in our time... Creating the birds and the fish and the trees could have taken millions of years through evolution. Just because the bible sounds stupid when taken literally, its not a good enough reason not to believe. You probably have others though, so I dunno.

Thats very true. Some people just use religion as a scapegoat, God as someone to blame and shit.

Animals just evolved from dinosausrs?

I dunno, man...Hate to think about shit like this, but If I had to have an opinnon on the matter, I'd say I'm all for the whole evolution theory and against the idea of god, heaven, hell and all that type of shit lol.

The evolution theory CAN coincide with the bible. But thats cool if you are against the bible and shit. Im not stoppin ya :thumbup:

Well alright then....


so...what religion are you?

Good question... -_-

Religions are limiting, so I wouldnt classify myself as a member of a particular religion. I could argue for and against christianity, but usually im against it... There's probably a little bit of buddhism in me, but im not a buddhist. I believe there is either a spiritual force or some kind of spiritual entity in this world, but im not quite sure what.

Yea, I do believe that we cant be the only things on this planet..weither it be a spirtual force or somthin unexplainable or anythin of the sort....theres a countless amount of miles out there, so somthins gotta give.

Well, on this planet there are like...red ferns, ants, white-tailed deer, bats, grizzly bears, black sage, daisies, crocodiles, alligators, walruses, elephants, giraffes, just to name a few.

If you have faith, there's a reason for it, it's not blind belief. Someone like myself wouldn't believe in God if I was just told to, so I know my faith is realistic. However, there's no point in trying to say shit to you because you're one of those atheists who will never ever believe anything because there aren't "facts". So next time you believe in anything that someone else doesn't believe in, just remember thats how we feel about God.

everyone types like paragraphs in this bitch....
its funny as shit.

Yeah, so funny that people actually care about having an intellectual conversation. We're such fags.

exactly........

OK. If everyone has a good reason, then why is it most of the christians I ask about their faith either dont give me a straight answer, or say something stupid like "I grew up as a christian" or "How could God not exist?" or "Because Jesus died for our sins" etc etc etc... Reasons like that just dont cut it for me. Im open minded, but im not foolish enough to believe something without proper reasoning. I think you'll find that a lot of christians dont know shit all about their own faith and their own religion.

And I believe in plenty of things other people dont believe in, so I know how you feel. You're thinking "why can't everybody just believe in God and be saved...? Theyre destroying themselves in the long run. Don't they understand?"

Well, to some people thats a good enough reason. You have to look at the fact that 95% of people PERIOD are stupid as hell, it's not just Christians. If you went to the Middle East, there'd be people that way about Islam and if you went to Israel, there'd be people like that about being Jewish. I don't want everyone to believe in God yo, I just want people to understand where i'm coming from with my beliefs. I've been through shit without slipping and falling back and I honestly don't think I could ever do it myself, to me, there has to be a God for a trillion reasons. However, i'll be real, I do doubt him sometimes, but that doesn't mean I don't have the faith.

But I am really weird in all aspects, I can never speak for the average person.

Exactly. So youre saying it doesnt piss you off, when dumbass people give your religion a bad name? Its not even my religion, and they piss me off... it should be worse for you.

And do you mean you doubt his ways or you doubt his existence?

What's your AIM/MSN? I'm going to get into b-boying and I need the advice of the best. D:

Hell yeah it pisses me off, but I realized that sometimes, you can't cause turmoil within a group because people get offended and can't understand what you really mean. You remember the "Why a lot of black people piss me off" thread I made? Case in point.

And it's me doubting his existence and his ways, there's just so much you can see before you stop and say "Why would God put us through this?", feel me?

Yeah I feel ya.

my aim is onemanband713 and my msn is bboy_alloy@hotmail.com

your first point about talking to nothing...

I can see your logic here, but it does make sense in a psychological aspect, because it sounds cliche and lame, but it's like when you hear support groups give advice to look in the miroor and tell yourself..."i am a good person" it's not necissarily THAT therepeutic on a spiritual sense, but it's convincing the mind of something that silence might not be able to do...i think it's very possible that christianity, just like every religion...is majorly flawed because it was thrown together by imperfect humans. It doesn't matter what kind of deity is behind the creation of religion, what matters are the people that build it. And in praying, it is atleast a little convincing that something is out there, thus creating a reason to live your life better...and bringing you closer to righteousness and a God..if a God truly exists.....theres another point i want to make, but i see you brought it up so i will adress it later...

your 2nd point about how it's win win with christians...

it's irrational to say that everything that falls in place in the world is strictly coincidental...theres too much relevance to everything....however, i do agree with you in a semi sense...that sense is that people do tend to give god credit for everything good and everything "bad"..i think they fail to look deeper into the situation though...example..the death of a loved one is more than God bringing them home, the death of a loved one can very possibly create reason and an excuse to do something, or for something to be done...some people need a kind of ultimate motivation...and thats the kind of thing that would fuel such a motivation...everything changed in the world, is an oppurtunity for something else to change...and thats a universal law...whether or not God exists and has a hand in that isn't what i'm saying...i'm just saying...there is some kind of connection we can make with every action and event...some people just choose God, and choose to make him look like amazing


Your 3rd point, about how people say.."how can God not exist?"

I completely agree here, that doesn't even make sense to argue that...people who say that, deny science completely..and that bothers me...however...sometimes i feel so God...i ask myself...."how can there not be a God when i feel this good"..but thats my deal, and isn't any sort of proof to anything in the world


your 4th point about God being a he in the christian religion..

this is because as i stated before, man is imperfect, and man through religion together..assuming christianity is the real deal, but corrupted by certain people....than God would not be a man...in Aramaic, which is the original language of the bible, God was reffered to as Elah, which also used to be the name for Allah, meaning...God(yes i know thats arabic as well)...and Elah doesn't have a gender, it is not male or female....it's been said that mary magdalene's name as a prostitute was blasphameny to give men power over the church, perhaps portraying a God with no gender, as a male...would also do the same thing...i believe it would


your 5th point about the contradiction of God being all loving and merciful and having infinite grace

this is a great point. I think what a lot of intelligent people misunderstand is though..is the word faith...faith isn't the convenience of believing in God because there is no reason not to, Faith is believing in God because you choose to, regardless of what Logic tells you. intelligence is a great test of faith...i just wanted to point that out, thats about all i have to say for this point


your next few points


I think God impregnating a 13 year old virgin is an example of his power, i mean..if she wasn't a virgin, people would say, "yeah right, your obviously not a virgin" and at 13...theres a chance she probably wasn't fertile yet...so thats a "whoa" factor all in itself...i also thinkg Jesus was more of an example of the greatest sacrafice known to man, to prove some kind of love....also, i believe anyone who thinks they are righteous, or better than anyone...have a horrible grip on reality, and religion...and christianity...i don't feel that christians were meant to feel that way, i think it's something thats been misinterpreted...and on the idea of believing things we've blindly been told....i live by this rule, which is also..a universal rule..."You only know what you experience" Everything we're told, even with pictures, and books and t.v and radio, the only way we truly know it's true, is if we experienced...yet we take in thousands of pieces of information daily without experiencing them, and still don't 2nd guess it, and there is no direct proof of anything unless we've experienced it...I can tell you this, i experience emotions not even I, or the greatest wordsworker can describe to the fullest, i feel love, i feel hate, i feel envy, i feel everything...i feel things God has said we're supposed to feel since the beginning of time...if i chose to believe in God, that could very well be my testimony...theres more proof of anything devine through emotions, than there is of man walking on the moon....


all in all..i liked this post...you brought up some great points.....i just think that christianity is completely warped from what it's meant to be....and thats all..sorry it's so long