Fuckin God no
 

Ok, I don't care if you agree with this or not
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R&B is NOT apart of Hip Hop OK. Shit. I'm gonna rant almost irrelevantly for a minute.

Reasons I hate R&B: CAuse its the same fuckin shit over and over again. Sex Love and cheating. Sex, love, and cheating. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. The music feel is almost always the same and it annoys the fuckin shit out of me

Reasons I love rap: To me it feels more comfortable. I like the tempo of it, and its rhythm. When I'm listening to a rap song and I vibe with it, it feels like I'm in my room having a conversation with the artists and it always brings me to the place they're describing or I can feel their pain/joy. Even when rap is wack it drifts me into a half built world of stupidity(but with da hoez and money doe yo!).

Just because r&b is "urban" too and you see more collabs going on between the two doesn't make it part of it. Please, I love hip hop, don't ruin it by letting these faggots in it. Kthxbye

No shit.

It may be obvious to you, but so many people still say that shit.

Ya'll Niggas Gt Twisted Huh?!.
They Stupid Thats Why Indeph!

dude, i fell EXACTLY the same way... i mean, i've never really heard anything new. its ALL the same. i just started giving it a chance because every now and then, somebody gets innovative and puts a new spin on it... fer example, that new Rhianna song called unfaithful, that was a VERY original spin on the whole cheating thing, and i liked it. and you gotta give Ne-Yo some credit for so sick. he's talkin about how he doesnt wanna be in love. i mean, mostly its all the same but there are exceptions. ppl'd prolly say the same thing about rap tho, ya know? thats why its OUR job as MC's to BE original and not just a "money cash hoes" rapper, nah leans? i think lyrical rap is WAY more musical, thought out and poetic than most R&B songs... the only thing u need for R &B is a voice(i know im exaggerating but w/e), but rap you need much more

R & B...Rap

Two different names, two different things.

a good rule of thumb is normaly if its on mtv your not listening to good music

Lmao @ that making no sense whatsoever.

hmm.. yea fa real tho
most RnB is trash...same shit over n over... some is really awesome uplifting shit...
but with rap when its real u get the feeling the vibe... u feel like ur there and its hard and gritty
but yea... people shuld not group rnb singers as rappaz

i know some people who regard rnb singers as rappaz and call rap shit because of it....
know ur shit b4 u start to critisize lol
word... good thoughts

i like alot of R&B, but i do always consider it a separate genre, and i like it for different reasons... i completely feel u on the reasons why you like rap Deph, thats exactly how if feel... but i listen to R&B when im depressed or with a girl or somethin... or both :bored:

lmao... y'all need to do some research.... where in da hell would rap be WITHOUT R&B?.... where do you think most of our beats come from?.... how are you gonna shyt on something that hip hop was partially built off of?... i mean really... look at da state of hip-hop... most of THIS shyt don't sound the same to you?... let's be real here for a minute... how many lean with it songs are out there right now?... how many of lil john's songs sound like all he did was change the title?.. how many wanna be thug songs are polluting the airwaves? ... if you got love for hip hop then you should have love for all kinds of music cuz that's where hip hop stems from... that shyt didn't just pop up outta thin air... it was influenced by jazz, rock and roll, country, gospel, and even rock music... get yaself into a music history class cuz obviously you got some shyt twisted... hip hop...REAL hip hop, that is... embraces ALL forms of music whether you wanna hear it or believe it or not

now with that said, R&B = Rhythm and BLUES... what da hell do you think the blues is about? pain and suffering... love... and all the shyt that you said you hated about it... those are the general topics of that genre... the only difference between the blues and R&B is the rhythm part... that's how it got it's name...

now let's get back to hip hop... what do you think the main topics are in hip hop? ...pain and suffering (surving the ghetto, selling drugs, pimping hoes, staying on ya hustle)... life (damn near every rapper claims how tough they had it)... love (for music, money, opposite sex, fame, notoriety, they peoples, the rap game, family, etc)

now with tha broken down like that how can you say that the shyt is completely different?... it is... but at the same time it's not... kats been saying the same shyt the r&b artists been saying for years... everybody got they own story to tell and it's all in how we tell it and the style we use in which to convey it...

let's stop being ignorant and embrace what has helped us to get to the point where we are today... and i don't mean ignorant in a bad way... i mean it in the definitive meaning of the word... truth is... without all these other genres there would be no hip hop... as soon as you learn that the sooner you'll be able to branch out as an artist and become an innovator instead of a follower

peep this quote...

"I betcha can't do it like me..." we all know where that comes from

my answer:

"I betcha I don't WANNA do it like you!"

key werds were... when it's real!!!!! most rap ain't real... and you can hear it in the lyrics of most of the rappers that's out today

Ig if you go by that philosophy than since rap uses guitars sometimes rock is part of hip hop. Since I heard violins in hip hop than classical is part of hip hop. Infleunce doesn't make something part of the music. Blues speaks about pain and suffering? So does basically every single art form known to man. Honestly the only shit thats keeping r&b and hip hop together is blackness and you can't even deny that.

And you sayin since r&b influenced hip hop I cant say one bad word about it? R&B cats right now tryna act like rappers, Hip hop is its own thing.

#1... that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.... let's go back to da Sugar Hill Gang... where do you think they first got the music to thier songs?... old skool r&b and funk...correct?... it's always been a part of hip hop... most of our breaks came from finding shyt in other music... the only thing we added was our way of conveying our message... we use a spoken word form with a bit of a melody... r&b artists use singing...

now let's take it a step further... De La Soul for instance... they used things like cartoons and old super hero records to make thier beats...

all hip hop does is recycle the old and upgrade to a point where all the "new skool" rap heads don't recognize it or maybe have never heard it to begin with... hip hop has been influenced by other music since day one!!! and that's fact!!! at the current moment it can also be said that a lot of r&b artists are depending on rap artists to make a name for themselves... frankly, can ya blame them?... we've leaned on them since rap first started... it's time to give back

as far as the classical part.. how many albums have you heard that doesn't incorporate some kind of orchestra element in it?
Dre does it... Timbaland did it... Pete Rock and CL Smooth did it... The whole west coast does it...lol... Kanye... the list goes on and on... is it hip hop?...no... is it a part of hip hop?....my answer is yes...


#2... you stated the EXACT point I was trying to get across... no news flash here... we're on the same page with this one...

#3... that last comment was definitively ignorant... i've been to japan... they have a HUGE hip hop base out there.... it has nothing to do with blackness... it has everything to do with the CULTURE... i still don't see how kats don't get that... think about it... how come hispanic or latin american emcees don't get the same kinda flack that white artists do?... if a dude is feeling ya lyrics and you dropping from deep down inside does it really matter what skin tone you are? nope.... that's that brainwashed mentality and stereotypical bullshyt that tears music and people apart... if the shyt sounds good together then make that shyt happen... hell i'd do a country/jazz/hip hop collabo if i could make it sound good...

R&B is not a black or white thing... hip hop is not a black or white thing... it's a people thing... kats who think in terms of black and white are closed-minded, one-sided, and already set in thier ways and thoughts... free ya minds, people... free ya minds

God, come on now. The blackness shit is true, if hip hop is so inclined with other music they would have a billion radio stations that play "hip hop and classical" or "hip hop and death metal". R&b sings of instruments, and so does a bunch of other music, but obviously since both rap and r&b hit an "urban demographic" they're gonna group them together. Obviously this isn't a test of how free my mind is, it's just reflecting on society. They play hip hop and r&b on BET, and never any rock. And why is that? I wonder... :bored: And being black I wouldn't be caught dead trying to group my people like that, its just solid truth. ANY other music can use any instrument they want, so can hip hop. But its the choice of genre, you can't just go adding music to other genres because they had an influence. Come on now this isnt a political issue, it's just social.

ok... so how do you classify lauryn hill?.... mary j blige?.... Floetry?... Akon?.... queen latifah? (she sings and raps.. even did a jazz album which i own a copy of).... no one knows what da hell ja-rule or nelly does , so we'll leave them outta this (yeah, they're rappers tryna act like they R&B...lmao)... back to business... how do you classify alicia keyes?... all these folks i just mentioned get down for thiers (except ja and nelly... damn them!!!!) and the music they drop is played in r&b and hip hop circles all over the world.. and i never once said that you couldn't say anything bad about it... if ya don't like it, that's fine... it's your preference... but if you wanna state facts then you can't say shyt like... "they tryna act like rappers"... you have no idea how that particular artist was tryna come across... when they start tryna do whole albums as a rapper you can cross that line... but just cuz they got a guest appearance by an emcee or use hip hop styled beats for the music?... you passing judgements like you was there with the artists themselves...lol... everything i spit in this thread was based on facts... not things that i personally find appealing to the ear... i back up facts with examples and then explain the examples that i use...

show me facts that say r&b and hip hop are tied together by blackness and i'll leave it alone... and before you go there... just think of the many black rap artists that have collabed with white singers (jay-z, tupac, balck eyed peas, eve, method man, lil kim, public enemy, krs-one... just to name a few)

That's EXACTLY my point. The "urban demographic". Lauren Hill, Alicia Keys, Erica, and all them other people all hit an urban audience. Just like eminem got play on rock stations. Is he rock now? If it wasn't a black and white thing he wouldn't of got play. And if it wasn't a black and white thing, they would play rock on BET and other black radio. All those people you mentioned aren't hip hop, they're just urban. You cannot tell me if mary j was white and lived in a white area and talked about white problems she would be considered hip hop. If that's true what makes kelly clarkson less hip hop than her?

ok... so white folks don't live in urban environments?...lol.. i had plenty of white folks in my urban environment growing up... your comment eludes to the fact that only black folks live in urban areas so that's why they listen to certain music...

i agree with the society comment to an extent... i, personally choose not to listen to the radio too much and i barely watch bet or mtv... i make my own decisions about what music i wanna hear by being aware of the different types of music that's out there... i'm not one that's gonna be easily influenced by some shyt cuz society says that's how it's supposed to be...

as a black guy, you gonna tell me the only music you'd ever listen to is from black folks?... if you heard a hot ass song by a rock group you wouldn't admit that you liked it? if it's all about the music then, like i said previously, if it's good then it's good, no matter what the source is...

again, i understand where ya coming from... but i'm just saying that it's more to it than that

That's just it, THE URBAN DEMOGRAPHIC. Rap doesn't have to be urban all the time does it? It can be about anything, and white people live in urban areas too right? So what makes mary j hip hop? For collabing with rap artists? Does collabing with linkin park make jayz rock? MAking music that appeals to a hip hop audience doesn't make you hip hop. You're either hip hop or you're not, it's not like some gang you gotta get in. I listen to some rock, it doesn't mean the rock ppl i listen to are hip hop.

then again... you hafta look at the tv station you chose... music as a whole isn't about black or white ... BET is about Black artists and the main reason they did that in the beginning was because MTV would not play black music before Michael Jackson's Thriller album dropped... that's one of the reasons i stopped watching them as much... they play to segregation... i ain't about that... hell, my dj was a white guy from Queens and his favorite artist was Bob Marley!!!

just cuz society as a whole is jacked up it don't mean we have to be

Yeah I feel you, I love allllllllll types of music. I'm extremly open minded, but hip hop to me is mad personal, and having other genres of music be considered hip hop just makes hip hop seem like some secondary genre. You get what I'm sayin? Saying hip hop is just spoken word with rhythm is like saying singing is just speaking with a melody, and rock is just plucking strings. I swear the rhyme schemes of rap will actually make me discover shit and I didnt even intend on writing it. The flow and rhyme scheme and even delivery of hip hop bring out a completly different feel and definetly a more wide variety of lyrical content. Hip Hop is its own thing, if people wanna be a part of it, they better learn to spit.

i think you totally missed my point, here.... let's go back to lauryn hill... you're gonna tell me she ain't hip hop?!!! but back in the day lisa lisa and cult jam were?... did lisa lisa even rhyme?...hell nah!!! but she was part of the hip hop culture, right? the same could be said of a mary j blge... she's a singer with the attitude of that of the hip hop CULTURE... there's a distinct difference between being hip hop and being a rapper... a rapper is just one facet of da hip hop culture... hip hop is an attitude and a a way of life... it incorporates many things... not just the basics that everyone knows of (breakdancing, rapping, dj'ing, graffiti, and fashion)...
check this excerpt written by KRS- One:

We practice Hip Hop beyond entertainment. We practice and teach Hiphop as an empowering lifestyle, an alternative behavior, a new way to view the world. For us, Hiphop is the name of our collective consciousness; it is the name of our international community, it is our nation! Most people regard Hip Hop as a music genre; they call Hip Hop Rap and they spell Hip Hop as hip-hop. Others regard Hip Hop as Break Dancing, MCing, Graffiti writing and DJing. However, these descriptions of Hip Hop still relegate Hip Hop to entertainment. For us, Hiphop is beyond entertainment. Rap is something we do; Hiphop is something we live! These distinctions between Hiphop, Hip Hop, and hip-hop were established so that the Hiphop research, discoveries, and interpretations of the Temple of Hiphop would not monopolize or dictate the reality of Hip Hop to everyone else. Our approach to Hip Hop breaks down into three levels of understanding; Hip Hop, Hiphop and hip-hop. Hiphop is the name of our collective consciousness. Hiphop is not a product to be bought and sold. It is the inalienable right of all Hiphoppas. It is the name of our existence! Hiphop = our unique Spirit, our unique collective consciousness, the force behind Hip Hops elements. Hip Hop = the performances of Breakin, Emceein, Graffiti Art, Deejayin, Beatboxin, Street Fashion, Street Language, Street Knowledge, and Street Entrepreneurialism. Hip Hop is the name of our tribe. It is what we call ourselves and our activity in the world. Hip Hop, spelled here with two capitals is Hip Hops the phonetic spelling. It is also Hip Hops traditional and general spelling. Hip Hop is Hiphop manifested. And finally, hip-hop = Rap music product. Only the unstudied rap fan unknowingly uses this vulgar spelling and language. Others are simply being disrespectful. The Temple of Hiphop operates within four departments which we call its M.A.S.S. or ministry, archive, school and society. As a ministry, we seek to relieve human suffering through an awareness of useful spiritual knowledge. We are a self-realization ministry. We believe that God speaks through ones true purpose in life. As an archive, we seek to collect and document Hiphops material experiences in the world. Our aim is to continue developing our traveling Hip Hop exhibit and official Hip Hop museum/archive for the study of Hip Hops history, art and culture. As a school, we seek to teach Hiphop, Hip Hop, and hip-hop to all interested students. We believe that a good education does not prepare you for the job market exclusively. We believe that a good education helps you to realize and prefect your true life purpose. Such an education helps YOU to become a better YOU. Finally, as a Hiphop society we seek to preserve Hip Hops independent voice. Whether it is with skill, influence, knowledge, and/or money, as a society our existence and activity insures Hip Hops proper documentation in world history. As a society, Temple Members help one another through the challenges of life. Our aim is to relieve human suffering whenever and wherever we can. Temple Members are those Hiphoppas that share a basic thirst for truth and an unshakable love for Hip Hop

This is MY definition oh hip hop as well adn this is why i am so passionate about helping the younger kats understand the differences

werd... i definitely feel you on that one... that's why it dumbfounds me to see kats spit shyt like laffy taffy and be succesful... no one appreciates a lyricist who takes the time to craft his shyt and actually try sumn new to re-energize the music...

i'm not saying that those other genres ARE hip-hop... but they do play an important role in the development of our artform... always have...always will

Everyone's take on Hip Hop is gonna be different, but limiting how others look at it makes Hip Hop no different than a parent. You can't say certain things or it's not hip hop. You can't rap with a certain style cause it's not Hip Hop. You can't be negative or it's not Hip Hop. You can't be Hip Hop unless you're teaching ppl, after a while its like fine I'm not hip hop, whatever I am, I'm that. And it's sad.

now ya getting what i'm trying to say... it's too limited!!!!!! that's exactly why i embraced what KRS One is saying in that excerpt... i already felt that way about hip hop before i read this but just the fact that other people view it on a wider basis, just as i do, is what keeps me going and wanting to continue doing this. i don't see my self as limiting others views... i'm expanding by adding other elements that they most likely haven't even thought of before... I love hip hop to death and i love getting into debates about it cuz i've pretty much been a fan from the beginning.. i study the lyrics, the way people say shyt, pick out what makes some songs as powerful as they are, i study the formulas... pick shyt apart and put it back together again like learning how to build motors.... even in my family life i incorporate hip hop... (street smarts, ethics, etc.)...

i just try and make people aware that hip hop is a lot larger than what they see on tv and hear on the radio... there's a behind the scenes part of it that needs to be learned and i try and bring that to the forefront

Yeah I do the exact same thing, I'm definetly trying to make it the best it can possibly be. It seems to be growing musically, lyrically its falling off, but not with me :)

Me> everyone mc ever

I A Fucking Gree R&B is not rap or even close it just babies crying over there bad Break ups