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Tha Q. 03-16-06 10:26 AM

To I.G., Enygma, and anyone else who's military...
 
Can your commanders legally order you to your death? I'm not talking about sending you on a mission that could POSSIBLY cause your death. I mean, are they authorized to literally order you to do something that's 100% likely to cause your death? And, if they can, can you refuse to do it?





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L. Veracity 03-16-06 11:36 AM

give a situation and I can tell you...cuz the question is rather vague

what brought this on?...

Tha Q. 03-16-06 11:39 AM

^^^^The question was posed to those two because they're in the military.









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.Ike. 03-16-06 11:50 AM

they cant MAKE you do anything...if u really dont wanna do it that bad...but theyll prolly kick your ass out the army...

getting kicked out the army > death

L. Veracity 03-16-06 11:53 AM

dude, I was in the ARMY too lol

you gotta be more specific than this Mikey ;)

Tha Q. 03-16-06 11:58 AM

The question isn't vague. I asked could they order you to do a suicide mission. That's a pretty darn clear question to me. I don't know an exact mission. The question is, is it LAWFUL for a commander to order you to your death?

L. Veracity 03-16-06 12:01 PM

they're not gonna like order you to go step on a mine and kick you out if you don't, if you mean something like that then nah they can't do that

Tha Q. 03-16-06 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Veracity
they're not gonna like order you to go step on a mine and kick you out if you don't, if you mean something like that then nah they can't do that



That isn't really answerin my question. And, when were you in the military, and for how long? Did you serve anywhere? What was your job?

*SmokeSomething* 03-16-06 12:05 PM

fuck the army....

L. Veracity 03-16-06 12:07 PM

was in for a year, so basically I was just in BCT then AIT

my MOS was 45G (fire control repair) which consisted of removing, replacing, and repairing circuit cards in laser-guided tank components

my BCT was at Ft. Leonardwood, Misourri
AIT was Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland (near Baltimore)
and if I'd stayed in my duty station would've been Fort Campbell, Kentucky

what brought you to ask this question?...and it does seem vague to me = |
I answered it as best I could from the question you asked

Tha Q. 03-16-06 12:12 PM

The question is not vague. But, I'll rephrase it for the people I intended to answer it. Does the military have the legal right to order a soldier to do a suicide mission? And, I'm not referring to a hypothetical suicide mission. I'm talking one where death is certain.

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.Ike. 03-16-06 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Veracity

and if I'd stayed in my duty station would've been Fort Campbell, Kentucky




damn thats crazy...u shoulda stayed n shit for real....*goes to fort campbell's PX all the time*.......yea i live in Clarksville, TN....theyre basically the same damn place lol...i can drive to base in like....15 minutes...crazy

L. Veracity 03-16-06 12:18 PM

mostly special ops people do all those classified missions with extra high risks, you sign up for that and know the risks when you get in there but generally, if you follow orders and do what you're told you'll be okay...the risks are lined out to them before they go on a mission like that but those people are usually gung-ho and don't turn down missions like that but in general...no, they can't put just the average soldier on a high risk mission...besides, if death is "guarunteed" you won't be doing whatever "it" happens to be

Tha Q. 03-16-06 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by L. Veracity
mostly special ops people do all those classified missions with extra high risks, you sign up for that and know the risks when you get in there but generally, if you follow orders and do what you're told you'll be okay...the risks are lined out to them before they go on a mission like that but those people are usually gung-ho and don't turn down missions like that but in general...no, they can't put just the average soldier on a high risk mission...besides, if death is "guarunteed" you won't be doing whatever "it" is



You made sense up to the last sentence. Japanese used Kami Kazi pilots during WW2. So, purposely flying planes into objects would be doing "it" if that was the mission. I'll wait for another opinion because my question still wasn't answered. Is it within the military's legal rights to plan suicide missions for soldiers? And, I'll even add this. Would the U.S. ever resort to Kami Kazi type tactics in war?

Special Ops is hypothetical danger. That's exactly what I WASN'T referring to.

hmm

.Ike. 03-16-06 12:23 PM

lmfao...thats japan though....


theyre stupid for doing that shit....we would never send a mofo in on a plane to blow up a boat or some shit


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