prove ima dumbass........ u and grammatix.......... people like nas and even jay are commercial or they wouldnt keep alotta there fans......... only the real rap fans....... and kanye isnt on all his songs talkin bout guns and shit like every other rapper........... i mean, lets be fo real, i dont think jay or nas have used a gun or loaded one for prolly 3-5 years......... but still theyre songs talk about it........ well atleast nas still talks about that shit alot........ jay actually had more of a positive vibe on the last album......... but wats so commercial about the dude????? look at his songs, the beats are nuthin like anybody elses except Jay (and guess who fukin produced those).............. nvm............. wen yall got sumthin to say ill prove ya wrong........ peace