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Originally Posted by Ennui
^^^Actually I find your belief about God being the universe itself very interesting.
But the truth is that nobody will know, until they die.
But saying that these ideas are complete bullshit and simple minded IS being simple minded.
I myself am open minded to all the possibilities because nobody will ever truly know. But God DOES make the most sense.
And the thing about the ontological argument: What the argument is trying to succeed in is saying that without there being a God, we wouldn't even know what perfect is. Nothing on Earth is perfect...nothing in the entire universe is perfect. So how could we even have an idea of what perfect is if there was no figure or model for it to be descriped as..? And how would it get into our minds..? If mankind didn't strive to be perfect, we would all be happy with what we are today, and we aren't, society as a whole anyway.
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The reason I said they were simple minded was because they have written all over them the buzz word proof and they are obviously attempting to persuade people that they show evidence beyond doubt that god exists..
When infact, they just show speculation and argumentitive babbel...
The word perfect does not need an example.. Its a word thats thrown around in a lot of different context's but essentually is defined as flawless. It is not proof that god exists because one could just as easily say a flawless circle drawn on a peice of paper is a fit example of perfection.
They are simple minded because they are trying to prove something that is un-proveable by any means of human reasoning.
It just doesent work... And thats why I said they were simple minded speculation.