i think the people who say kanye suck are similar to the people who say wayne suck.... its not that he is a Really bad artist, you just dont think he should get as much praise/popularity/love as he's getting... i HATE lil wayne but even i can admit that some of his songs are pretty clever/good... and with kanye, he's just a beast, he cant sing but his lyrics and production was crazy on 808

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