A spillover thread inspired by my track about the lack of presence of a "God". I know there is no god present looking over us or caring for us simply based on the savage things that happen daily. Someone can walk into a church right now, beat a priest into a coma with his Bible, go rape a Nun and shoot the both of them in the face while both of them pray for god to save them. Where is he to save them? Young girls get raped daily. Where's god to save them?

The Bible it self states that God does not love and respect everyone equally and that some people are born inferior to others and should be enslaved, submissive and so on - THIS IS FROM THE BIBLE AND I CAN SHOW YOU! There is no God to save you. He's either gone, or dead. Your helping hand is at the end of your own arm.

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Where in the Bible?

*prepares for a very big debate*

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pfftt. which instance do you want to know about, the one where God says women are inferior, or the one where God says you should have slaves and make their children lifelong slaves? repares for the very same debate:

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that slaves part is like one story........ and its to teach a lesson, not to actually encourage slavery

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False on both counts. It's numerous stories AND God SUGGEST that you should have slaves, AND approves of slavery.


OK, lets bust out your trusty bible. Everyone else feel free to follow along via Google, or some other Bible refference site or something. You'll witness first hand that god dosen't love and accept everyone equally like you're led to believe.

Well, Lets start at 1 Corrinthnans 14 where he states that all women should remain silent in church and only ask questions to their husbands whne they're home and in private.

Or how about this one where he says no woman should have any authority over any man? This is your sexist mysoginistic god speaking:

And these are jsut two of MANY refferneces. Now how would a god that claims to love everyone equally hold some higher than others? That completely contradicts. As does his approval of slavery which is also in the bible NUMEROUS places

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I'll do the women first. *cracks knuckles*

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Do you think god is supposed to be some little man sitting on a cloud with a 'priest in trouble' alert going off?

Here is a small essay I wrote up a week ago explaining god.
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When we think of the universe, what usually comes to mind is the endless void of space that surrounds us. But is it really endless?

Science teaches us that the universe is infact slowly spreading out and growing bigger. This is the reason for the 'Big Bang' theory, where if we were to trace back to the beginning of the universe all matter that has made progress in spreading out would ofcourse be condensed back into its origional form. Meaning that it had to start somewhere.

But the question is, what exactly was there BEFORE the condensed matter all of a sudden exploded and created this big bang? And why exactly did it happen?

These questions, are essentually unanswerable. However there are feasable theorys that explain possibilitys as to how this all works. There is a known theory that the universe works on cycles, creating a loop effect where all matter begins at the highest extremity of condensation, meaning ALL matter is squashed into a tiny point, then explodes and expands as the universe is born, and finally reaches an apex where, following a fundemental rule in physics "Everything that goes up, must come down" it slowly begins to condense again untill it reaches the beginning of a new cycle and starts off with a new big bang. To give a clearer explenation, here is a diagram:


These cycles create a reality that explains the eternal or infinite nature of the universe. However, one might then come to the straight up question of "why?". Why is there this reality? Why if the matter can reach such a point of complete condensation, does it not just remain in this state? Why does all this even exist in the first place?

Thats where our good ol' buddy god comes in. Now most philosophers look at god as being an external being that created the universe and exists beyond the limits of space and time. Which is true. To an extent. However this does not explain a damn thing.. Because, if god existed outside the universe, why exactly would he have a need to create it in the first place? This is where it gets very interesting.

My conclusion, is that 'God' is infact THE universe itself. Which may sound perplexing at first, however if you follow the evidence and understand the reason, its actually a very feasable conclusion. The universe essentually exists as the imaginative build-up inside THE mind of god. This not only co-insides with the universal theorys, but it also completes them.

Look at the universe in terms we can understand, humans are said to be created in god's image. The birth of a human concience begins ofcourse in a very simplistic stage, it can obviously be related to a buildup or 'expanse' of cell's generating a brain in its most simple form. Like, before there was nothing, now there is existance.

In this same way, the mind of god is born at the beginning of the universal cycle and everything in it begins to expand first at an extreme rate, then as time goes on it slows down and at a certain point, like that of humans, it slowly begins to deteriorate and condense back down untill it inevidibly dies. This, in effect, answers the 'why?' of our universe.

We exist within a concieved reality inside the transendant imagination of god himself. The universe is, for lack of a better description, God.

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Now this essay ONLY scratches the surface. I have a vast amount of writings and revelations on time, the mechanics of the universe, metaphysics and a load of related stuff I've written.. But without making you read tons of stuff, this is probably all you need to know.

Everything happens for a reason. Knowledge is not to be created, it is to be unlocked. If someone was to kill a priest and a nun, know it would have happened for a distinct reason and the next occurance in that time field happens due to this first occurance. Cause and effect.

If a little girl is raped. She might grow up to become a doctor specialising in helping other young girls who are going through what she went through as a child. Yet there are unlimited possibilitys of reason and conclusions.

Everyone is not created equal. Because everyone has a different journey through life set out for them. Life is about learning and experience taken in in preperation for the afterlife. The soul is immortal, our physical mass is like training wheels, or pre school for our concience. You may not believe in god, but you do believe in the universe. And science teaches us god can be related to a perfect supercomputer...(call it a mac if you really must)....

But the idea is, that everything works in harmony throughout this world because everything is set out in a number of laws. Each occurance is scripted, but (having eaten from the tree of knowledge, or realistically, having evolved into a brain so complex we understand right from wrong) the way we choose to respond to each occurance in our lives determines the entire future of occurances.

Its really simple when you think about it. Life is just one big mathamatical equasion....

Now I could go on and on and on forever about every single reason for my conclusions and bringing up large amounts of other theorys, but I have to do a shit.... So BRB

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Well he says he oversees all his children and is everywhe and can see everything, so what are you implying, that he's absent minded? GOD?! The "perfect" one?

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Read the rest of my post before you comment.

That point you made is actually explained in my post...

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word, exactly the same here


I already addressed the Old Testament rules issue

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It didn't "explain" anything. You "Theorized". I'm not gonna read someone's "theory" on God since that's not what this thread was intended for.



So now we're getting somewhere. Now that we ALL know that the bible was edited - how do you know what to be LIE ve? Pick and choose? This is the bible - they say you're supposed to follow it to a tee. It's suposedly the book that guides your way of life - yet you have a reason to doubt it's validity??? And you dont' see a problem with that?




Common logic and the basic means to add and subtract will verify this for you right now. Why wait till you die? And "free will" isn't part of God's "plan" son. God says that he had a divine plan that covered every fraction of a moment of everyone's life, down to the smallest detail. I'm sure every time something targic happens to someone, them or those around thme say "it's god's plan" - which means you had NO CHOICE to begin with according to God. So how does Prayer fit into the Plan, if the outcome is already written out, according to God?





1 Corinthians is written by man THROUGH God. The only thing "God" suppsedly wrote himself was the 10 commandments.

Secondly, you're interpreting a scripture that leaves no room for interpretaiton. Choosing how the word of your God is applied in your life is being selectively religious. It's the same logic serial killers have where as "I didnt' kill this person, the knive/gun/bat did" and in their eyes, they're justified. This isn't what "scociety" thinks is right or wrong, it's what the book that told YOU ow to live your life is telling you. Are you saying they're lying or wrong?

And who said that women shouldn't speak scripture?? I quoted what the bible said wher eGod feels that women shouldn't speak in church, or ever have power over men. That's YOUR God talking, not me. - where'd you get anything about speaking scripture?

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Its a conclusion based on scientific evidence. Written as an essay theorising on the existance of god.

Bro I have to say..

You can come accross as being real ignorant at times.... Instead of reading it and telling me why you think it isnt correct, you just sit there and go...

Ughh.. He called it a theory, it must be compleatly irrelevant...

And it cant be a time wasting thing either... Cause your quiet happy to sit there and write up gigantic threads on the Q...

Your saying god doesent exist.. I'm giving a response telling you what god is and showing you why he does exist...

Take it or leave it.

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I dont believe everything in the bible or what others say God really said because nobody knows God personally...I believe you choose your own destiny BUT he knows everything you're gonna do for instance you have a choice if you want to buy a car or not, if you buy a car...he knows everything that will happen relating to that after that, and if you dont, he knows everything after that etc. etc. and you'll have choices, you can pick the choices but he'll know whats gonna happen, thats what I believe.

People like you are the reason we have wars over bullshit like this, when it comes to religion everyone gets all defensive just keep the shit to yourself, you have NO proof there isnt a god, show me proof there isnt a god...oh somebody kills a shitload of people in a church, that doesnt mean there isnt a god that just means a bunch of people were killed, and at the same time, I have NO proof that god does exist...i believe what i believe, you believe what you believe, but when you start tellin people theyre wrong and you keep trying to prove to them that, it just gets people mad...im not mad but others get sensitive and shit when it comes to this type of shit, just leave it alone and stop trying to prove something you cant prove, and I cant prove it either.

Let me ask you something, how did we learn to add, have common logic...do you believe we evolved from Apes? if so...where did the apes come from...if you can answer that, where did the big bang come from? explosions of that magnitude just dont happen out of thin air, and no scientist can give you 100% proof of it, the universe is too complex to be made off 1 explosion, but thats my opinion im not trying to argue with you or anything.

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This man is a fucking genious.

I agree with basically everything he says...cause I was thinking almost the exactly same shit.

I have never thought of God actually being the universe though.

Very interesting.

Lmfao if Nos made an entire new religion...

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lmao, not really: http://www.harvardhouse.com/Law_of_Decay_pantheism.htm

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