If Congress denies the bailout then I think we should do that.

Can you explain to me why it's a bad idea?

you wont even be half the man McCain left nut be.

dude is a g, prisoner of war, knows what is really up. barrack is just a dumb nigglet

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Lmfao, a POW? The dude was a bitch who gave in and sold himself out with information, while troops in his crew were getting tortured for keeping their mouths shut. Some war hero.

shit

john mcain is all good.... but obama is for the children........

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Obama's probably going to win. All I can hope is that his biggest supporters can't find enough time to get out of the unemployment line to go vote. Unfortunately, that's not very likely, and I think everybody's beginning to realize there's a good chance Obama will win.

In my opinion the huge drop in the stock market over the past 5 days is an indication that people expect Obama to be president, and they realize Obama's eagerness to raise taxes will fail in epic porportions, and his economic policies are not, and have never been, any good at all. But hey, what do I know?

wowwwwwwww, come on Mim... that was an extremely stereotypical republican elitist statement.


realllllllllllly, it couldn't be the failed Republican economic plans that have already been PROVEN to fuck up America? yeahhhhhh, its Obama's economic plans that are somehow already fucking up our economy. nice republican excuse.

you know, the last 8 years have shown that Bush had a GREAT effect on our economy!

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ohhh Mim and his elitist, warped logic...

Yes, stocks are going down because people think Obama will become president, wonderful point. Great causal relationship you brought up.

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Cause n effect i guess.

Obama get's elected...stocks go down.

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McCain will probably win. By all means, I don't want that to happen, but something will end up being rigged, don't get your hopes up just yet.

I knew mime was crazy but to claim Obama's gonna win at this point in time, I just wonder what kind of outside source is influencing all of his ideas...

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i think its fuckin halraious that the republican party keeps on doing this shit with voters, challengin there voter status, which makes them un able to vote unless they prove it. But whats funny is that they can't prove it with in the time they need to do so in order to vote.


some crooked mother fuckers

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Let's see. .

I killed 2v in the last thread he disagreed with me by showing how he contradicted himself, when, after a few pages, he tried to backstep when he realized he was wrong and claimed he never said something that he did. I pointed it out to him and he chose not to respond (good choice).

I've shown multiple times in multiple threads that Pinky doesn't know what he's talking about because he can't even read.

Adam still hasn't responded to the first question I asked in response to his claim that McCain is a dumbfuck:



I disagree with Blay about everything, so there's no point in responding when I already know the end of the road will be a few pages later and no progress in either direction.

So that leaves TeamOne who brought absolutely nothing to the table. A lot of what happens in the stock market is speculative, and I offered my opinion for that speculation. I didn't try to persuade anybody, as I clearly stated, "In my opinion," leaving adequate room for people to disagree with me. I've already discussed the adverse effects Obama's bullshit tax policies will have on the economy in previous threads, so unless you can counter my claim I'm going to stop responding to you. I'm not interested in saying something, then having somebody else make some sarcastic remark about how I'm wrong, but offer no reason or explanation for how I'm wrong. That just leads me to believe you don't know what you're talking about because if you knew I was wrong and knew why I was wrong, you'd tell me. The fact you'd rather throw out a few comments about my so-called, "warped logic" instead of responding to what I actually said, suggests you have no response to what I actually said.

We can theorize all day about what's caused the stock market to decrease over the past few days, but can any one of you dispute my opinion with facts? I already know you can't but feel free to try.

ok fine Mim....

the main reason your argument holds no value is that most Americans think that Obama will do a better job at handling the economy (and now the financial crisis), so why would the possibility of him being elected be the catalyst? It would make more sense if people thought McCain was being elected because that's the person less Americans trust with their money and the economy. I know you think that personally Obama's economis plan is bullshit, but the important thing to note is we're talking about the American People, and they disagree with you.

Also, the main catalyst of this crisis and aftermath of the bailout has everything to do with public perception of the situation as much as the "actual cause". What I mean is that if experts all over the place saying "we might be in an economic crisis soon", "the economy is about to fall", etc, that will cause the collapse more than Anything, because when people dont know much about a situation they are more easily persuaded using heuristic cues. Meaning if they see an "expert", Senator, or News Anchor tell them the economy is about to suffer or "this bailout plan sucks", they will be more likely to believe them and act upon it, since most people didnt even really Know what the bailout plan meant and didnt really know Why the economy was failing in the first place.

Shit, Big companies have gone out of Business because of RUMORS that they were about to downsize and/or go bankrupt, rumors that had no value, but people jumped shit anyways..... but with the economy all it takes is for people to think that the economy to fail for it to Actually fail.


btw, McCain will cause a huger national deficit then Obama will... they both will increase it, but McCain's policies will send us farther south... look it up

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The main reason that argument holds no value is because you're presenting the wrong statistic. The fact about 60-65% of Americans think Obama will do better with the economy doesn't address what I said. The statistic that you need, though unfortunately it's unattainable, is the percentage of money that's invested in the stock market that's controlled by Obama supporters. That would tell us something. I know it's unattainable because every second that the market is open that percentage will change. The proportion of Americans who think Obama will do better with the economy is bordering irrelevant because it doesn't tell us anything about the reason for the decrease in the stock market. The ONLY good thing that's come out of this gigantic drop in the stock market (right now the DOW is down 458 to 8,120) is that if Obama gets elected he can't raise taxes. I'm not suggesting or implying that the sole reason the market has dropped is the speculation about who the next president is going to be, but IN MY OPINION, it is a factor.

I agree with you in your next paragraph and I apologize if my first post was misleading. Obviously the stock market has not decreased as much as it has for one sole reason. I think part of it, as you mentioned, has to do with people pretty much saying, "You should be scared." Understandably, that will make people scared. In that sense I think you're right.

And I don't doubt that McCain will increase the national deficit, but right now I'm not worried about national debt. The crisis we're in now has nothing to do with how much national debt we have. The bailout wouldn't have been passed if national debt was a factor, as all it did was substantially increase it.