if jay is lyrically better than pac, why has he used 2pac lines????

For this comment, you are officially a Retard. Pac was a poet. Just because he screamed Thug Life dont mean shit. Not all of his songs consisted of "Thug" mentality. The way Pac Put words together was amazing. Jayz talks over beats.. and lyrically all he says "Im the Mahfuckin Greatest man".. "jayz's the name, this is my claim to fame".. after 100 songs of this, im sry, its boring.. jayz aitn shit but a collection of old ass lyrics from OTHER artists..

i cant beleive you actually sit here and place Jayz on pacs OR biggies level.. Biggies flow is monstrous.. Jayz has a medeocre flow at best.. im just being honest..

and pac did wtf he wanted to do.. his outside life shouldnt matter.. its about his music.. jayz sold drugs and admittedly ssays it.. hes so much better......

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I agree 100% with you on this.


Lyrically and flow wise, Jay is one of the nicest around today, not to mention he's my favorite emcee.

People on RV do have a hard time differentiating between "favorite" and "accomplished".

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Exactly as calamity put it

In accomplishments/money making in RAPPING yes Jay is probably the best around today

but LYRICALLY and HIP HOP...theres a shitload of people better then Jay, you jay dickriders need to get that through your heads, jay is NOT fucking with some others in lyrics, its just not happening.

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EXACTLY... n half the lyrics arent jays anyway

Oh man...

There are some real straight up fools on this website.

Some people just got no idea.

All right this is getting old. People are goonna like Jay til the end and always defend him. SOme think he's nothin but a biter. Some think he just sucks. ALL OF YOU HAVE OPINIONS SO FUCKIN DEAL WITH IT AND STOP MAKING THESE THREADS! In everyone's opinion Jay Z is something different. If you can't agree to disagree then you'll just be posting saying virtually the SAME SHIT just worded different...OH WAIT JAY Z DID THAT AND HE IS TEH B1t3R!! (So say all of you...I wouldn't have nown had it been brought up). Now I could give a FUCK what Jay Z does cuz he's not doin shit for me or my family (Unless he makes a good song that my fams likes...then I guess he did something) because I don't even listen to songs unless someone I know has said it's good. I prefer to listen and write my own shit, so I'm unbiased. Now Jay Z is arguably one of the best, so obviously he did SOMETHING right.Just for that he shoul get some respect (About as much as you'd give 50 Cent. At least.), but disputingwhether he 'bit' or 'paid tribute' is dumb becauseif you like Jay you'll dispute one case and if you hate him you'll dispute the opposite. Seriously if Cam hadn't started this beef would you really give a fuck? GO back and look at the thread in Hip Hop Talk from before Cam dropped the track and see if ANYTHING remotely talks of Jay Z and biting. But since Cam said some wack ass beef track everyone is either on Jay's dick or cutting off Jay's dick. All I wanna say is leav the man's dick alone and let him do what he does best, which would seem to me is make songs that millions like and millions hate but millions will buy.

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ya'll TOTYALLY missed my point.... obviously skipped the part where i said 'top 5 "rappers", is different than top 5 "lyricists".

thanks for reading thoroughly. word.

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I got your point and i agree. he is one of the top 5 Most Famous and liked rappers..

but im schooling these 16 year old kids who cant differenciate lyricism and status..

but i feel your point.

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If you're refering to me then I said that was your opinion in the first all caps sentence. If not then disegrard this post and here...a cupcake. *hands cupcake*

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Thats exactly what I was thinking when Q responded to you...I was like wtf? he just said the opposite of what you said, oh well.

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No I did... And thats exactly what I replied to...
I even talked to him on msn about it...

By the sounds of it you didnt even read anything I said either....

ahhhhhhhh arent u like 17-18?

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