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Old 10-26-08, 05:56 PM   #1
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Calling something Black Entertainment and excluding other races from their awards is racist. I don't give a fuck how you want to put it. It's funny too because the best hip hop artists are mostly white.


? Eminem, Paul wall, beastie boys etc and Other white performers have been nominated for AND have performed at the BET awards. Gwen Stefani and Fergie were there last year. =/ I don't think you know enough about the BET awards to talk about it. Research.
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Old 10-25-08, 04:24 PM   #2
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Old 10-25-08, 09:12 PM   #3
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nah.. no way are the best hip hop artists usually white...

ive heard some insane black rappers whose lyrics are out of this world.... per capita though, you could actually be right... who knows... wed have to do a study on that to find out... and i sure as fuck dont care enough about it to go down that path bro..

lol.. rappers are rappers... skin pigment is meaningless... which brings me to my argument...

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Would you not agree that the music recognised in those awards is of black origin? and primarily are associated with the black and ethnic minority communities? and are primarily performed and lead by members of the black and ethnic minority groups? would you not also agree that the relative majority share of the viewers are from the back/ethnic minority groups?

If there was a white tv network, I honestly wouldn't feel it was someone trying to perpetuate supremicist views, maybe that is just me. The thing is, its about balance.

Black people felt they needed a network/show whatever to specifically address and talk about their interests/culture, nothing more, nothing less. On the BBC News in the UK it would be ridiculous to say that the news reported is always of relevance to the black community, simply because the lion share of its viewers are white; Therefore they cater the stories and issues they talk about to white people. In the UK on sky(your equivalent is cable) there are over 20 indian channels, 16 muslim channels etc this isn't racial supremicism. Just a network of channels catering to their individual ideals/cultures.

I personally have never seen a problem.

you do raise some good points man..

it just kind of pisses me off that there isnt a channel devoted to white people with shows that specifically exclude people of all other races than caucasian... with news only relating to whats happening in the world that ONLY concearns white people, plays music thats ONLY made by white people and plays shows where blacks, asians, indians, etc are strictly not allowed in...

oh wait... wouldnt that kick up a massive stink....

that shit would be like rosa parks all over again... i mean really..

would you have no problem if a network left unsaid, but implicated that there are to be no blacks allowed on this channel?

acuity as i said, all your points are totally valid.. but racial exclusion of any form is gonna be the brunt of debate.. i disagree with what BET do and I actually do think its a form of racism...

thats my 2 cents worth on the issue brother...
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Old 10-26-08, 01:10 PM   #4
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Wow...Nem...why do people insist on asking that dumb question...

'Why do we need a black awards'


Have you seen the Oscars dude?


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Old 10-26-08, 09:09 PM   #5
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Wow...Nem...why do people insist on asking that dumb question...

'Why do we need a black awards'


Have you seen the Oscars dude?


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sure have seen the oscars...

and plenty of black people win awards you fucking dickhead... there is nothing racially exclusive about the oscars... if ANYTHING its geared towards jews... but thats another story..


im not here to argue about what race has better rappers... i really dont care, skin pigment when it comes to rappers for me is meaningless.. I'd hope it would be the same for everyone else... music is music... do you think im gonna think any differently about jimmy hendrix cause hes black? FUCK no

I'm here to argue that BET is a racist television network on some fucking reverse rosa parks shit...

lets stop being petty about what race has better rappers... both have dope rappers, both have absolutly embarrasing shit rappers...

its what it is... that argument is moot...
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Old 10-26-08, 10:10 PM   #6
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sure have seen the oscars...

and plenty of black people win awards you fucking dickhead... there is nothing racially exclusive about the oscars... if ANYTHING its geared towards jews... but thats another story..


im not here to argue about what race has better rappers... i really dont care, skin pigment when it comes to rappers for me is meaningless.. I'd hope it would be the same for everyone else... music is music... do you think im gonna think any differently about jimmy hendrix cause hes black? FUCK no

I'm here to argue that BET is a racist television network on some fucking reverse rosa parks shit...

lets stop being petty about what race has better rappers... both have dope rappers, both have absolutly embarrasing shit rappers...

its what it is... that argument is moot...


This.

And the BET awards aren't exclusive to black people either though. Robert Thicke winning best R&B has to say SOMETHING right
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Old 10-26-08, 01:39 PM   #7
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Then again Baph.

If there was WET (white entertainment television) half of it would be black people.

Because ignorance is funny to a percentage of us. :|
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Old 10-26-08, 10:15 PM   #8
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hmm... i wasnt aware that white people won awards at the black awards night...

doesent that defy the entire fucking point of having a black awards night?
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Old 10-27-08, 12:40 AM   #9
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hmm... i wasnt aware that white people won awards at the black awards night...

doesent that defy the entire fucking point of having a black awards night?



Not exactly. The point of the BET awards and BET as a network in general isn't a to make an exclusively black network/awards show, but to support an(in comparison) ignored base. While I think both the programming AND music on BET is garbage, I know for a fact that rap wouldn't have gotten as big as it did without it. The reason why a White entertainment station isn't needed is typically all television already IS white entertainment television. I know there's black shows on every channel, but the VAST, VAST, VAST majority of television is white people. So if a white person wants a WET odds are it isn't because he feels his race is being "underrepresented", but just because he wants to get back at black people for some reason.

BET didn't really serve its purpose though. The problem was that black people who got on TV were forced to play typical side roles and stereotypes, but that's actually the only way BET portrays black people anyway so it's useless. Rather blacks not get shown at all then get shown the way they are on BET.
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Old 10-27-08, 02:10 AM   #10
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Not exactly. The point of the BET awards and BET as a network in general isn't a to make an exclusively black network/awards show, but to support an(in comparison) ignored base. While I think both the programming AND music on BET is garbage, I know for a fact that rap wouldn't have gotten as big as it did without it. The reason why a White entertainment station isn't needed is typically all television already IS white entertainment television. I know there's black shows on every channel, but the VAST, VAST, VAST majority of television is white people. So if a white person wants a WET odds are it isn't because he feels his race is being "underrepresented", but just because he wants to get back at black people for some reason.

BET didn't really serve its purpose though. The problem was that black people who got on TV were forced to play typical side roles and stereotypes, but that's actually the only way BET portrays black people anyway so it's useless. Rather blacks not get shown at all then get shown the way they are on BET.


nah, I dont want a WET... I think that would be a really stupid notion...


But I DO want BET to be abolished and awareness spread that as a concept you ultimatly cannot say it isnt racist in atleast SOME indirect mannor..

fuck, call it urban culture TV... there is so much more of a grey area these days between black and white culture and for equality to be truely instated into the societies that we live in this needs to be recognised and acted upon..

were people on a fucking planet man.. fuck racial devides..
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Old 10-27-08, 08:35 PM   #11
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nah, I dont want a WET... I think that would be a really stupid notion...


But I DO want BET to be abolished and awareness spread that as a concept you ultimatly cannot say it isnt racist in atleast SOME indirect mannor..

fuck, call it urban culture TV... there is so much more of a grey area these days between black and white culture and for equality to be truely instated into the societies that we live in this needs to be recognised and acted upon..

were people on a fucking planet man.. fuck racial devides..



Yeah I know what you mean. There was an episode of the boondocks which ripped apart BET. I don't think any rational black person LIKES bet. There really isn't anything on the channel that I watch. I used to watch rap city though, but that was just for the rap and not to see black people.
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Old 10-27-08, 02:26 AM   #12
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except for muslims...

they can go fuck themselves and will continue to be hated untill they realise their religion is a fucking mockery started by the catholics to begin a war...

their religion is NOT true.. their religion is NOT the way of the future.. and they must be fought against untill they are an abolished embarrasing antiquity of human history....
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yea the oscars are leaning towards the jews, stfu you fucking neo nazi
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ummmmmmmmm I agree that the name switch to Urban Culture Tv would remove the racist image of the channel, although that sounds extremely gay... but the key part of BET is the Entertainment part... if it was just BT, then i would have a problem, but its not a channel that cant have white people on it, its a channel that is suppose to entertain black people... white people can entertain black people, theres actually quite a few white comics that have appeared on comicview and shit, but then again they usually suck...
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