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Old 11-28-05, 06:54 PM   #1
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A spillover thread inspired by my track about the lack of presence of a "God". I know there is no god present looking over us or caring for us simply based on the savage things that happen daily. Someone can walk into a church right now, beat a priest into a coma with his Bible, go rape a Nun and shoot the both of them in the face while both of them pray for god to save them. Where is he to save them? Young girls get raped daily. Where's god to save them?

The Bible it self states that God does not love and respect everyone equally and that some people are born inferior to others and should be enslaved, submissive and so on - THIS IS FROM THE BIBLE AND I CAN SHOW YOU! There is no God to save you. He's either gone, or dead. Your helping hand is at the end of your own arm.
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Old 11-28-05, 06:55 PM   #2
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Where in the Bible?

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Old 11-28-05, 07:10 PM   #3
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Where in the Bible?

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pfftt. which instance do you want to know about, the one where God says women are inferior, or the one where God says you should have slaves and make their children lifelong slaves? repares for the very same debate:
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Old 11-28-05, 07:13 PM   #4
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that slaves part is like one story........ and its to teach a lesson, not to actually encourage slavery
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A spillover thread inspired by my track about the lack of presence of a "God". I know there is no god present looking over us or caring for us simply based on the savage things that happen daily. Someone can walk into a church right now, beat a priest into a coma with his Bible, go rape a Nun and shoot the both of them in the face while both of them pray for god to save them. Where is he to save them? Young girls get raped daily. Where's god to save them?

The Bible it self states that God does not love and respect everyone equally and that some people are born inferior to others and should be enslaved, submissive and so on - THIS IS FROM THE BIBLE AND I CAN SHOW YOU! There is no God to save you. He's either gone, or dead. Your helping hand is at the end of your own arm.

Do you think god is supposed to be some little man sitting on a cloud with a 'priest in trouble' alert going off?

Here is a small essay I wrote up a week ago explaining god.
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When we think of the universe, what usually comes to mind is the endless void of space that surrounds us. But is it really endless?

Science teaches us that the universe is infact slowly spreading out and growing bigger. This is the reason for the 'Big Bang' theory, where if we were to trace back to the beginning of the universe all matter that has made progress in spreading out would ofcourse be condensed back into its origional form. Meaning that it had to start somewhere.

But the question is, what exactly was there BEFORE the condensed matter all of a sudden exploded and created this big bang? And why exactly did it happen?

These questions, are essentually unanswerable. However there are feasable theorys that explain possibilitys as to how this all works. There is a known theory that the universe works on cycles, creating a loop effect where all matter begins at the highest extremity of condensation, meaning ALL matter is squashed into a tiny point, then explodes and expands as the universe is born, and finally reaches an apex where, following a fundemental rule in physics "Everything that goes up, must come down" it slowly begins to condense again untill it reaches the beginning of a new cycle and starts off with a new big bang. To give a clearer explenation, here is a diagram:


These cycles create a reality that explains the eternal or infinite nature of the universe. However, one might then come to the straight up question of "why?". Why is there this reality? Why if the matter can reach such a point of complete condensation, does it not just remain in this state? Why does all this even exist in the first place?

Thats where our good ol' buddy god comes in. Now most philosophers look at god as being an external being that created the universe and exists beyond the limits of space and time. Which is true. To an extent. However this does not explain a damn thing.. Because, if god existed outside the universe, why exactly would he have a need to create it in the first place? This is where it gets very interesting.

My conclusion, is that 'God' is infact THE universe itself. Which may sound perplexing at first, however if you follow the evidence and understand the reason, its actually a very feasable conclusion. The universe essentually exists as the imaginative build-up inside THE mind of god. This not only co-insides with the universal theorys, but it also completes them.

Look at the universe in terms we can understand, humans are said to be created in god's image. The birth of a human concience begins ofcourse in a very simplistic stage, it can obviously be related to a buildup or 'expanse' of cell's generating a brain in its most simple form. Like, before there was nothing, now there is existance.

In this same way, the mind of god is born at the beginning of the universal cycle and everything in it begins to expand first at an extreme rate, then as time goes on it slows down and at a certain point, like that of humans, it slowly begins to deteriorate and condense back down untill it inevidibly dies. This, in effect, answers the 'why?' of our universe.

We exist within a concieved reality inside the transendant imagination of god himself. The universe is, for lack of a better description, God.

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Now this essay ONLY scratches the surface. I have a vast amount of writings and revelations on time, the mechanics of the universe, metaphysics and a load of related stuff I've written.. But without making you read tons of stuff, this is probably all you need to know.

Everything happens for a reason. Knowledge is not to be created, it is to be unlocked. If someone was to kill a priest and a nun, know it would have happened for a distinct reason and the next occurance in that time field happens due to this first occurance. Cause and effect.

If a little girl is raped. She might grow up to become a doctor specialising in helping other young girls who are going through what she went through as a child. Yet there are unlimited possibilitys of reason and conclusions.

Everyone is not created equal. Because everyone has a different journey through life set out for them. Life is about learning and experience taken in in preperation for the afterlife. The soul is immortal, our physical mass is like training wheels, or pre school for our concience. You may not believe in god, but you do believe in the universe. And science teaches us god can be related to a perfect supercomputer...(call it a mac if you really must)....

But the idea is, that everything works in harmony throughout this world because everything is set out in a number of laws. Each occurance is scripted, but (having eaten from the tree of knowledge, or realistically, having evolved into a brain so complex we understand right from wrong) the way we choose to respond to each occurance in our lives determines the entire future of occurances.

Its really simple when you think about it. Life is just one big mathamatical equasion....

Now I could go on and on and on forever about every single reason for my conclusions and bringing up large amounts of other theorys, but I have to do a shit.... So BRB
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Old 11-28-05, 07:38 PM   #7
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that slaves part is like one story........ and its to teach a lesson, not to actually encourage slavery

False on both counts. It's numerous stories AND God SUGGEST that you should have slaves, AND approves of slavery.

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OK, lets bust out your trusty bible. Everyone else feel free to follow along via Google, or some other Bible refference site or something. You'll witness first hand that god dosen't love and accept everyone equally like you're led to believe.

Well, Lets start at 1 Corrinthnans 14 where he states that all women should remain silent in church and only ask questions to their husbands whne they're home and in private.
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As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.


Or how about this one where he says no woman should have any authority over any man? This is your sexist mysoginistic god speaking:
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Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.


And these are jsut two of MANY refferneces. Now how would a god that claims to love everyone equally hold some higher than others? That completely contradicts. As does his approval of slavery which is also in the bible NUMEROUS places
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Old 11-28-05, 07:41 PM   #8
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Do you think god is supposed to be some little man sitting on a cloud with a 'priest in trouble' alert going off?

Here is a small essay I wrote up a week ago explaining god.

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When we think of the universe, what usually comes to mind is the endless void of space that surrounds us. But is it really blah blah blah blah



Well he says he oversees all his children and is everywhe and can see everything, so what are you implying, that he's absent minded? GOD?! The "perfect" one?
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Old 11-28-05, 07:42 PM   #9
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lmao @ THIS IS IN THE BIBLE supposed to just make u automatically right


all the rules and shit in the Old Testament were old Hebrew laws, and the world changed with the New Testament, thats the whole point of it... so you cant hold the Old Testament relevant to present life

and Nos is right, God never claimed to just sit around and save everybody's lives... who said that was his job?
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Old 11-28-05, 07:48 PM   #10
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lmao @ THIS IS IN THE BIBLE supposed to just make u automatically right



How am I write or wrong if it's a quote from the bible?? I'm not giving my opinion, I'm QUOTING A SOURCE.

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HE DID! He said he answers all prayers. If you pray to have your life saved what great excuse do you have for why he's not there to save someoen who's spreading the Word Of God. Words like 'women should never hold power over men' and bullshit of the sort. Why woudl he not answer their prayers for their lives?
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Well he says he oversees all his children and is everywhe and can see everything, so what are you implying, that he's absent minded? GOD?! The "perfect" one?

Read the rest of my post before you comment.

That point you made is actually explained in my post...
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if you didnt know the bible WAS edited, if anyone has an original version of the bible, they must be moses' cousin or sumthin
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God put us here and gave us brains to do wtf we want, he gave us all of it...he cant change free will because he created us and put those rules sort of, so whatever the fuck we do we do, its like one big test go ahead light someone on fire but dont whine when you dont get into heaven

yea bla bla there is no heaven and hell etc. i believe there is, you dont

NOBODY WILL WIN, im not trying to change your opinion so dont try to change anyone elses, NOBODY will know until we die simple as that.

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if you didnt know the bible WAS edited, if anyone has an original version of the bible, they must be moses' cousin or sumthin

Yeah man... Definatly...

Even jesus went from being referenced to as a human prophet with a large family and a wife.... To being a single devine entity.. Or deity...

Religious goons that do shit like that are fucking queer... Its like lying to everyone because they wanna gloss everything up and make it seem like more than it really is.
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Read the rest of my post before you comment.

That point you made is actually explained in my post...

word, exactly the same here


I already addressed the Old Testament rules issue
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