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Old 03-14-06, 08:28 AM   #1
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Heh.. I didnt know that..

You know there are theorys floating round these days that Mohammed, the prophet of the Islamic religion was actually Jesus Christ.

Makes you wonder.....

I am starting to believe that
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Old 03-14-06, 08:48 AM   #2
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Heh.. I didnt know that..

You know there are theorys floating round these days that Mohammed, the prophet of the Islamic religion was actually Jesus Christ.

Makes you wonder.....


yeah i have heard about that aswell, i honestly dont follow religion, its impossible to tell whats true, when you compare the old testiment to the new, so much stuff gets re-worded and changed around its un-real, but apparently there is a place you can go and see the very original bible(the first one ever written), i cant remember where, and how true that is i honestly cant say.

but id be willing to bet money that if thats true, you could compare that to the more recent testiments of the bible that most of the stuff would be completely different.

but also whats really annoying, is the fact that they say god beleives in freedome of choice, and all that stuff, and then around the city you will get people standing there screaming and shouting sections of the bible and then telling you why you SHOULD turn to god, as if its something you have got to do to get into heaven. that in my eyes is trying to force us into religion, and religion has allways been put forth as a choice.

i contemplated a few times about choosing the path of religion, but with so many things not making sense, and looking a pack of lie's, it makes it hard to beleive ANYTHING that is said through religion.
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Heh.. I didnt know that..

You know there are theorys floating round these days that Mohammed, the prophet of the Islamic religion was actually Jesus Christ.

Makes you wonder.....


Yeah, that's actually old news lol. But it isn't true. Islaam was created and funded entirely by St. Augustine after the time that Christianity had already started, at around 70 A.D. The conept of "The Prophet Muhammed" only had legs because Yashua was a well known prophet who had brought success to "Christianity" a religion that did not exist till "Christ" came about. The Pope did not like that Christianity (and there for "Christ") had such a heavy religious influence over catholics who originally answered to and seeked word from the Pope and the Vatican. To regain power, he found someone who would lead what would end up becoming the Muslim religion and excorsized his control to make sure that Muhammed was guided in the direction that the Pope wanted him to. So much so that Muhammed's adviser who "helped" interpret muhammed's prophecies was catholic and influenced Muhammed to believe that anyone not adhering to the divine words of the human pope was an infidel who seeked to decieve the people, which included Jews and Christians. Muhammed even studied the life of St. Augustine in preparation for what he was about to do. As the word of islaam spread to the arabs who were told that they were the chosen ones, the forces for the wars against those religions grew massively powerful.

The Pope OK'd the approvals needed for islaams generals to attack north africa where christianity and judaism had spread, the same place "Jesus" was born and lived. The muslim army in respect to the pope for empowering them also heeded orders to rename the greek statue of Venus to "The Virgin Mary" and the statue of the god Jupiter to "St. Peter" which is where our images of these people come from.

The Pope didn't expect that this religion that he created and influenced to destroy his enemies would eventually grow so wildly out of his control and eventually seek to even overthrow HIM as an "infidel", so peace talks started after the muslim armies invaded turkey, lebanon and were poised to begin on Italy and other land masses, which caused a loose peace between catholics and muslims while the Pope was changing aim to one of the biggest Jewish landmasses on the globe, Russia and areas north, such as poland germany etc. The empowering vision to all Muslims was the (intended) appearance of The virgin mary (the false idols mentioned in the bible) in the muslim city of Fatima which was named after Muhammeds daughter. This was considered the virgin mary's seal of approval to the muslims and elevated Muhammeds daughter to the status of "The most divine female in heaven second only to the virgin mary" at around 1910.

The Pope (This time Pope Pius the XII) and Christianity tried to overthrow the Jewish people of Russia, Poland, and Germany again during the second World War with their Nazi army which everyone knows is staunchly Catholic and seeked to kill all Jews after Hitler was convinced that Jews are responsible for killing the christian Messiah. Once again...They created a monster and it backfired, since Hitler began to seek total world domination with his version of Christianity that was fueled by a maddening passion for genetic science, a hunt (and find) for alien life, and paegan practices and symbols such as the swaztika which originally is a symbol for one-ness with nature, the 4 cardinal directions, 4 elements, etc and pointed clockwise, not counterclockwise which denoted a reversal and undoing of these forces. The Swaztika it self is centered around a cross.


What's ironic is that thousands of years later, this is the EXACT same thing the catholic United States did with the Muslim Taliban. They created them by training Osama to train foot soldiers to combat the U.S.'s (religious) enemy at the time which was Russia post-cold-war, funded him by giving him munitions from their weapons cache and billions of dollars, filling him to the brim with "you-are-the one-ness" and religious zeal, and cut him loose. Then....it backfired.


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Old 03-14-06, 02:08 PM   #4
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Heh.. I didnt know that..

You know there are theorys floating round these days that Mohammed, the prophet of the Islamic religion was actually Jesus Christ.

Makes you wonder.....



The Koran states that Jesus was a prophet just like Mohammed. Jesus was like second best because the only true prophet is Mohammed. The two names are stated seperately but where do those theories come from? Just curious...prolly not from Islamic side.
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Old 03-14-06, 02:18 PM   #5
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The Koran states that Jesus was a prophet just like Mohammed. Jesus was like second best because the only true prophet is Mohammed. The two names are stated seperately but where do those theories come from? Just curious...prolly not from Islamic side.

Read Apexx's post on the subject..

It pretty much cleared everything up...
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But, I know what you're getting at. Imma find the picture "POPULAR SCIENCE" magazine generated to depict what Jesus would have looked like.

Based on the time and region in which he lived, Jesus would have:

#1...been Short...probably under 5'9"...So, he would have been unassuming at best.

#2...Medium to brown skin...He was arab...And, that region was in the middle of the desert. So, even if Jesus was initially fair skinned, he wouldn't have been by the time of his death. In other words, Jesus was not lilly white because he wasn't European.

#3...Had a beard...it was customary for Hebrew men to have beards...He would have had a beard


#4...a short hair cut...It was NOT JEWISH custom for men to have long flowing hair. So, this European depiction of Jesus is bogus.


#5...been Built...Jesus would not have been a skinny guy. He was a carpenter and would have had muscles. So, this frail thin depiction of Jesus is bogus.


#6...been relatively unattractive...He was a common man, living a commoners life...His face would have been weathered from being out in the elements so much. He would also have brown eyes and brown hair.



IN other words, you would not be able to tell that Jesus was "JESUS" by looking at him. That's the reason Judas had to point him out when the Roman Centurions came to arrest him. He didn't stand out from the crowd at all, exactly the way he wanted it.
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Old 03-16-06, 01:37 AM   #7
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But, I know what you're getting at. Imma find the picture "POPULAR SCIENCE" magazine generated to depict what Jesus would have looked like.

Based on the time and region in which he lived, Jesus would have:

#1...been Short...probably under 5'9"...So, he would have been unassuming at best.

#2...Medium to brown skin...He was arab...And, that region was in the middle of the desert. So, even if Jesus was initially fair skinned, he wouldn't have been by the time of his death. In other words, Jesus was not lilly white because he wasn't European.

#3...Had a beard...it was customary for Hebrew men to have beards...He would have had a beard


#4...a short hair cut...It was NOT JEWISH custom for men to have long flowing hair. So, this European depiction of Jesus is bogus.


#5...been Built...Jesus would not have been a skinny guy. He was a carpenter and would have had muscles. So, this frail thin depiction of Jesus is bogus.


#6...been relatively unattractive...He was a common man, living a commoners life...His face would have been weathered from being out in the elements so much. He would also have brown eyes and brown hair.



IN other words, you would not be able to tell that Jesus was "JESUS" by looking at him. That's the reason Judas had to point him out when the Roman Centurions came to arrest him. He didn't stand out from the crowd at all, exactly the way he wanted it.


Q you are a G.............
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why are ya'll trying to argue religion based on facts?...

religion isn't based on facts, it's based on faith...if you don't have that, you're not going to believe, so why try so hard to discredit another person's beliefs?...religion and GOD are not one in the same...Nos, you argue a lot about religion but say that you only "hate organiZed religion"...what do you believe then if you only disagree with people that share the same beliefs gathering?...Apexx, you might find it hard to believe, but you have to have a certain amount of "faith" to believe in anything, so you DO have faith...just faith in man, as opposed to being faith in GOD
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why are ya'll trying to argue religion based on facts?...

religion isn't based on facts, it's based on faith...if you don't have that, you're not going to believe, so why try so hard to discredit another person's beliefs?...religion and GOD are not one in the same...Nos, you argue a lot about religion but say that you only "hate organiZed religion"...what do you believe then if you only disagree with people that share the same beliefs gathering?...Apexx, you might find it hard to believe, but you have to have a certain amount of "faith" to believe in anything, so you DO have faith...just faith in man, as opposed to being faith in GOD



I have no "faith" or "beliefs". You find it hard to be-LIE-ve anything when you look at the facts and they conflict to those beliefs. If it really happened, there would be distinct and traceable evidence, not speculation, misinterpretation, and contradiction. Everything means nothing until it's proven. Belief is ignorance. Ask questions. You might learn something.
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I have no "faith" or "beliefs". You find it hard to be-LIE-ve anything when you look at the facts and they conflict to those beliefs. If it really happened, there would be distinct and traceable evidence, not speculation, misinterpretation, and contradiction. Everything means nothing until it's proven. Belief is ignorance. Ask questions. You might learn something.


Why'd you change your name?...
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Because I changed my whole life. I needed something more representative of who I am today, not who I was yesterday.
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I have no "faith" or "beliefs". You find it hard to be-LIE-ve anything when you look at the facts and they conflict to those beliefs. If it really happened, there would be distinct and traceable evidence, not speculation, misinterpretation, and contradiction. Everything means nothing until it's proven. Belief is ignorance. Ask questions. You might learn something.



Here's the problem with what you just stated. Even if God swooped down from heaven and stood before you, that wouldn't make someone "believe" that he exists. People have been doubting God and refuting him since the beginning of time. Pharoah doubted the existence of Moses' God, until God showed him signs and wonders. Jesus spoke on this very topic in the parable of Lazarus--not his friend that he rose from the dead. A rich and evil man died and went to hell. From hell, he asked God if he could go back to warn others that it was all real. God then told him that even if he did go back, they wouldn't believe what he had to say. "Faith" isn't just believing in God. Faith is action. Faith is serving God and doing what he says, KNOWING that you'll be rewarded as a result. Only a fool says in his heart, "there is no God."

Quite frankly, it is counter-logical to believe something you can't see. That's called Faith. Jesus said, "Blessed are those who haven't seen, and still believe."
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Yeah, that's actually old news lol. But it isn't true. Islaam was created and funded entirely by St. Augustine after the time that Christianity had already started, at around 70 A.D. The conept of "The Prophet Muhammed" only had legs because Yashua was a well known prophet who had brought success to "Christianity" a religion that did not exist till "Christ" came about. The Pope did not like that Christianity (and there for "Christ") had such a heavy religious influence over catholics who originally answered to and seeked word from the Pope and the Vatican. To regain power, he found someone who would lead what would end up becoming the Muslim religion and excorsized his control to make sure that Muhammed was guided in the direction that the Pope wanted him to. So much so that Muhammed's adviser who "helped" interpret muhammed's prophecies was catholic and influenced Muhammed to believe that anyone not adhering to the divine words of the human pope was an infidel who seeked to decieve the people, which included Jews and Christians. Muhammed even studied the life of St. Augustine in preparation for what he was about to do. As the word of islaam spread to the arabs who were told that they were the chosen ones, the forces for the wars against those religions grew massively powerful.

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The Pope didn't expect that this religion that he created and influenced to destroy his enemies would eventually grow so wildly out of his control and eventually seek to even overthrow HIM as an "infidel", so peace talks started after the muslim armies invaded turkey, lebanon and were poised to begin on Italy and other land masses, which caused a loose peace between catholics and muslims while the Pope was changing aim to one of the biggest Jewish landmasses on the globe, Russia and areas north, such as poland germany etc. The empowering vision to all Muslims was the (intended) appearance of The virgin mary (the false idols mentioned in the bible) in the muslim city of Fatima which was named after Muhammeds daughter. This was considered the virgin mary's seal of approval to the muslims and elevated Muhammeds daughter to the status of "The most divine female in heaven second only to the virgin mary" at around 1910.

The Pope (This time Pope Pius the XII) and Christianity tried to overthrow the Jewish people of Russia, Poland, and Germany again during the second World War with their Nazi army which everyone knows is staunchly Catholic and seeked to kill all Jews after Hitler was convinced that Jews are responsible for killing the christian Messiah. Once again...They created a monster and it backfired, since Hitler began to seek total world domination with his version of Christianity that was fueled by a maddening passion for genetic science, a hunt (and find) for alien life, and paegan practices and symbols such as the swaztika which originally is a symbol for one-ness with nature, the 4 cardinal directions, 4 elements, etc and pointed clockwise, not counterclockwise which denoted a reversal and undoing of these forces. The Swaztika it self is centered around a cross.


What's ironic is that thousands of years later, this is the EXACT same thing the catholic United States did with the Muslim Taliban. They created them by training Osama to train foot soldiers to combat the U.S.'s (religious) enemy at the time which was Russia post-cold-war, funded him by giving him munitions from their weapons cache and billions of dollars, filling him to the brim with "you-are-the one-ness" and religious zeal, and cut him loose. Then....it backfired.


yay.

That really does a lot of the clout of a religion to know it was founded on a human agenda. This is just another reason why I dont like wide spread organised religions. They are nothing more than a method of control. Priding themselves on petty traditions and belief's that are set up to give the average person the impression that he/she cannot have a relationship with god without doing exactly as the church tells them to do.. Which brings me to....

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why are ya'll trying to argue religion based on facts?...

religion isn't based on facts, it's based on faith...if you don't have that, you're not going to believe, so why try so hard to discredit another person's beliefs?...religion and GOD are not one in the same...Nos, you argue a lot about religion but say that you only "hate organiZed religion"...what do you believe then if you only disagree with people that share the same beliefs gathering?

I believe god is the universe we exist in. That is, a universe that runs as a precise result of strict cause and effect governing everything. I believe in science over faith due to the fact that science is real and abides by actual logic... Faith is a concoction of ones mind in an attempt to explain the un-explainable.

Organised religions are about making claims that they are the chosen ones and the only true way to salvation. They are nothing more than wide spread cults pretending to be the real deal.

Anybody can have a relationship with god... You dont need to go to church, you dont need to read the bible.. These things are interesting, and knowedge wise can even be beneficial, but also extremily trivial when concearned with the bigger picture.... Just know that everybody has a destiny or path that is set before them with their own individual lessons and experiences that are designed to teach you along the way exactly what you need to know to progress and inevidibly end up where you need to be in life. The harder you try and learn your lessons and the more you give to the world as a person determines how much you will recieve in this life and beyond.

Faith isnt even required.
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eghh, I don't argue with religion, especially with people like you lol

don't take that as an insult, you're one of the most intelligent people I know
but religion is one thing I would never discuss with you
because our views are in such a great opposition

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eghh, I don't argue with religion, especially with people like you lol

don't take that as an insult, you're one of the most intelligent people I know
but religion is one thing I would never discuss with you
because our views are in such a great opposition

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Opposing views on religion? I don't "believe" everything I read. You believe everything you read? Is that the opposition?

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