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Old 03-14-06, 01:57 PM   #1
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the universe is the universe, God is God...they're not one in the same = |

life experiences teach everyone things, you have freedome of choice to make your life turn out however it will, that's what "fate" and "destiny" are...there's a pre-determined end that depends on choices you make, we agree on that...

but I have a question, how do you determine what's right and what's wrong?...if you've never experienced a situation, what governs your thoughts on right and wrong?...most people I know base their moral standards on religion, which is what most LAW is based on...does this mean that laws are not to be followed because they are based on the moral standings or religions?...
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Old 03-14-06, 02:17 PM   #2
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the universe is the universe, God is God...they're not one in the same = |

life experiences teach everyone things, you have freedome of choice to make your life turn out however it will, that's what "fate" and "destiny" are...there's a pre-determined end that depends on choices you make, we agree on that...

but I have a question, how do you determine what's right and what's wrong?...if you've never experienced a situation, what governs your thoughts on right and wrong?...most people I know base their moral standards on religion, which is what most LAW is based on...does this mean that laws are not to be followed because they are based on the moral standings or religions?...

Oh but they are one in the same..
God is formless and exists everywhere at the same time. If he was a seperate entity then then that would make him a kind of being. And if you believe what your own religion tells you about god.. Then this cannot be.

As for your question about what is right and wrong.. Right and wrong is dictated by what we know to be right and wrong. There have been numorous 'free-thinker' cults throughout history that have preached that if they dont think something is wrong, then its not a sin...

However these people have usually used this method of thinking as a justification mainly for fullfilling sexual fantasys.

We are intelligent organisms with the ability to decipher whether something is beneficial or ultimatly wrong. Sure we make mistakes from time to time, but we usually learn as a result.

Be real.. You dont need anyone to tell you whats right and whats wrong.. You just know...
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Old 03-14-06, 02:30 PM   #3
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We are intelligent organisms with the ability to decipher whether something is beneficial or ultimatly wrong. Sure we make mistakes from time to time, but we usually learn as a result.

Be real.. You dont need anyone to tell you whats right and whats wrong.. You just know...


i agree with this.....totally

i know somewhere it also says God holds the world in the palm of his hand, so do you think thats just symbolism saying he is always watching or, do you think he actually is everywhere all the time????
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Old 03-14-06, 03:59 PM   #4
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Be real.. You dont need anyone to tell you whats right and whats wrong.. You just know...

if everyone just "knew" right and wrong then people wouldn't murder or rape...by civiliZed people's standards, both are wrong...you don't just "know" what's right and wrong...you know because your parents TEACH you

it's like a child putting his or her hand over a hot stove, they don't "know" it's wrong before they do it...they know what happens after

right and wrong isn't built into us...it's learned and dictated to us generation to generation...that's why we have LAWS based on right and wrong...and those laws are based on what religion views as right and wrongs...like it or not

so does that mean that since laws are based on religious beliefs you won't follow them because of their origin?...I hope not
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if everyone just "knew" right and wrong then people wouldn't murder or rape...by civiliZed people's standards, both are wrong...you don't just "know" what's right and wrong...you know because your parents TEACH you

it's like a child putting his or her hand over a hot stove, they don't "know" it's wrong before they do it...they know what happens after

right and wrong isn't built into us...it's learned and dictated to us generation to generation...that's why we have LAWS based on right and wrong...and those laws are based on what religion views as right and wrongs...like it or not

so does that mean that since laws are based on religious beliefs you won't follow them because of their origin?...I hope not


when you are younger you are taught certain principles of right and wrong..when you are old you are able to distinguish on your own what is right and wrong so in a sense we do 'know' the difference between right and wrong wether or not we choose to do the right things is different...
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Nos, "god" is not the universe. "God", by definition is considered to be infinite and timeless where as the universe has an age (verified by carbon dating) and is dying and collapsing.

oh also, if God were the universe, then the superstring theory would be non existant.
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Nos, "god" is not the universe. "God", by definition is considered to be infinite and timeless where as the universe has an age (verified by carbon dating) and is dying and collapsing.

oh also, if God were the universe, then the superstring theory would be non existant.



not only that, but the universe has a beginning and an end. Our current universe is expanding. Eventually, it'll collapse on itself and expand again. Who knows how long that's been going on.

Here's an interesting theory though. I've heard that the chaos in space is actually remnants of the spiritual battle God had with Lucifer in heaven eons ago.

who knows...sounds interesting anyway
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Nos, "god" is not the universe. "God", by definition is considered to be infinite and timeless where as the universe has an age (verified by carbon dating) and is dying and collapsing.

oh also, if God were the universe, then the superstring theory would be non existant.

Theorys on the universe state that after its demise it will go into a crunch and then bounce back resulting in the birth of a new universe. Old into new and the cycle is reborn.

And why would the superstring theory be non-existant?
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Here's the problem with what you just stated. Even if God swooped down from heaven and stood before you, that wouldn't make someone "believe" that he exists. People have been doubting God and refuting him since the beginning of time. Pharoah doubted the existence of Moses' God, until God showed him signs and wonders. Jesus spoke on this very topic in the parable of Lazarus--not his friend that he rose from the dead. A rich and evil man died and went to hell. From hell, he asked God if he could go back to warn others that it was all real. God then told him that even if he did go back, they wouldn't believe what he had to say. "Faith" isn't just believing in God. Faith is action. Faith is serving God and doing what he says, KNOWING that you'll be rewarded as a result. Only a fool says in his heart, "there is no God."

Quite frankly, it is counter-logical to believe something you can't see. That's called Faith. Jesus said, "Blessed are those who haven't seen, and still believe."


If "God" "swooped down from heaven" and stood before me, I wouldn't believe that he exists. I'd KNOW that he exists. And for the record, I know that a god exists. Just not in the capacity that the bible exhagerates it into from the story they plagerized from the enum enlish.

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Theorys on the universe state that after its demise it will go into a crunch and then bounce back resulting in the birth of a new universe. Old into new and the cycle is reborn.

And why would the superstring theory be non-existant?



No doubt about it, but in order for a new one to be born, the old universe must first die. If it dies, that means it is capable of dying - which according to the Bible is not something God is capable of. Not to mention that the bible states that after God made himself, he came to make the "heavens and the earth". "Heaven" is above earth. What's above earth is space. The inky blackness of carbon ether. If he made it as he made the planet earth, then he could not possibly be the universe, for it is a creation that he created AFTER he already came into existence.
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