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01-16-06, 12:43 PM

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Bear with me, because this is mostly thought-provoking questions for people to respond to.

OK. First of all, if God is an omniscient, perfect, completely content, divine, eternal being... Why would he create a universe? Hes eternal, its not like he could be bored or something, because time to him isnt like time is for us. There is absolutely no reason why God would create anything, because he is fulfilled.

But if we ignore that, the question arises... Why did God create us the way he did? And if a human creates something, does that mean God created that thing? If God created the Universe and the Universe created humans, to what degree can we say that God created humans.. And if God created humans and humans practice evil, does that mean that God created evil?

You might say he gave us free will and free will means some people will practice evil, but that is opposed by the real point of this thread:

If God is eternal, he knows the past, present and future. And if God is omnipotent he knows everything. So why would God create the universe and humans, if he knew that we would disobey him, hurt him, kill his son, suffer, and practice evil? Its like by creating us, he is making us suffer?

Do you think God is evil for doing that? That was the result of free will. But if God created us as puppets without free will, is that more evil than creating us to suffer?

what if there is no god?

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01-16-06, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Immense

what if there is no god?

Well obviously with any philosophical question you can pull it apart and get into other huge questions.

But this is assuming God exists.

If you want to make another "Religion vs Atheism" thread, go for it.

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02-11-06, 10:04 PM

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thats where i start to think, like, i think about an aquarium; how we place these fish in a tank, we give them a support system, water filter so they can maintain breathing, we supply them with everything, and we watch....as they live their lives.....then i start to think about our situation on earth....isn't it a little strange that this planet has been PERFECTLY suited to maintain and hold life? like what if we are just an aquarium in someone else's world...that would be crazy

No, it's not a little strange, because if the Universe recycles itself and since there are immeasurable galaxies with imaginable numbers of planets, it's not so complicated to believe at least one out of a near infinite number could support life. There is probably a lot more...the earth cracked, and volcanoes began to vent out atmosphere and whatnot, and other things...

02-12-06, 04:52 AM

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I don't think God is omnipotent. He can't make a square circle, as far as I know. He's powerful, not omnipotent. I don't think there would be any fallen angels(stating that you actually believe the biblical tale) if he knew everything. If so, if he was truly omnipotent, he'd annihilate Satan easily.

I haven't read through all of this, but to answer Drakel

No, it's not a little strange, because if the Universe recycles itself and since there are immeasurable galaxies with imaginable numbers of planets, it's not so complicated to believe at least one out of a near infinite number could support life. There is probably a lot more...the earth cracked, and volcanoes began to vent out atmosphere and whatnot, and other things...

Well apparently God is all-powerful... The bible says it.

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02-12-06, 09:46 AM

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The Bible says a lot of things, sometimes born of ignorance.

02-14-06, 08:59 AM

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you have to realize, god GIVES us gifts, he gives basketball players their gift, scientists THEIR gifts its like through the scientists, hes coming up with medicines and stuff, but like hopes said on tha first page, getting into heaven as a default, wouldnt b right, cuz u could live hectic all ur life, and still go to heaven, god didnt "create evil" evil wasnt really "created" at all, its not an object its not tangible, its a way of life, and if after knowing about god and such you still choose to go that route, then its your fault for being a dummy, man i could go on for days, cuz i got alot i wanna say, but my fingers are tired

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02-14-06, 04:27 PM

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you have to realize, god GIVES us gifts, he gives basketball players their gift, scientists THEIR gifts its like through the scientists,
...Wait, what? As opposed to basketball players who actually practice to get good, and scientists who study mountains of data?

hes coming up with medicines and stuff,
...What? God is coming up with medicines and stuff?

but like hopes said on tha first page, getting into heaven as a default, wouldnt b right,
Why wouldn't it be right? If a baby is killed during childbirth, does that mean it should go to hell? Is that not a default?
cuz u could live hectic all ur life, and still go to heaven, god didnt "create evil" evil wasnt really "created" at all, its not an object its not tangible, its a way of life,
If it's a way of life, and god created all life, then he created all ways, and he created free will to grant people the ability to be evil, and he made people with the potential to be evil, so wouldn't he have created evil, if not indirectly?

and if after knowing about god and such you still choose to go that route, then its your fault for being a dummy,
Or it's your fault that you choose not to follow a religion full of flaws and with a bloody past, and that you'd rather live life as it is then worry about an afterlife? I'm all for planning out the future, but too many people are caught up in stupid shit.

man i could go on for days, cuz i got alot i wanna say, but my fingers are tired
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