And considering this conversation has somehow gotten to Iraq -

No, I don't think we should still have the numbers of people we do fighting over there. I won't argue that.. as I have nothing to base an arguement on.

So, whatever.

I have already said, and will keep saying until fuckers get that I'm not like "BUSH IS THE GREATEST!," that he has fucked up a few times in his terms.

I'm still going to support him though.

if he got assassinated.......... all it would do is make him look glorified in the history books printed wen we have grandchildren and shit.... and cheney would take over..... and even tho cheney can think for himself.... its def not my views that he supports.... im just rootin for obama (or i guess ill be voting than) in '08..... fuck hillary.

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No, Bush will never be "glorified" as a President.. even if he is assassinated.

9/11 happened on his watch. He took a little longer then what he should have to get people out of New Orleans.

Nobody will ever rank him in the 'Top 10 Presidents' list.

yea..... but he did nothing to stop it..... they got a big ass memo the first year of his presidency (in August, i believe) that was titled "Osama content on attacking America" or something along those lines (i actually think it was even more direct, like "Osama is planning to attack America" but i cant quite remember) ...... and that shit is given to Bush and his administration a month before 9/11 and he doesnt do anything about it.... no warning level turned up, no higher security ANYWHERE..... except, ofcourse, in inner-city public schools because of the gun safety his administration wont enact.....

my basic view is that Bush should have NEVER been president..... he tried to play off his dui and drunk in public charges off by saying he "was a kid" and shouldnt be judged because of that...... when one of his charges was when he was in his 40's........ thats a pretty old "kid".... i mean, the guy got horrible grades... im probably smarter than him right now (not even jokin) and he cant even say one speech without fucking up what he means to say....... the rest of the world views us by our leader..... (or many view him as a symbol of our country) and i would really prefer not having a complete dumbass leading me........

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But do i need to remind u that most of america did NOT like JFK until he got killed???? He was by no means going to be thought of as a dumbass but the man served 3 years and many people have him listed in their top 5 presidents...... and before Ronald Reagan died (btw, if u noticed...... his death is prolly the ONLY reason he won the "Greatest American" thing) ....... i bet you many people had there top 2 presidents listed as JFK and Lincoln... and i wonder wat happened to them two

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Thats just werd...

and yea mim its cool if you still wanna support him and shit, thats your opinion...I just feel hes done more worse then good but thats my opinion...your right theres no use in arguing about it, none of us will change our minds...its just the way it is lol

and as for jfk they killed him cuz jfk wanted to tell the public the truth about the government supposedly...all the coverups and shit, and the government didnt want that =/ so pow pow down he goes

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I would definately put Lincoln in my top 3. I never really found anything special with Kennedy or Reagan, though. I wouldn't include them in my top 3. But yeah, I get your point.. but Kennedy or Reagan never really got this bad of publicity during their terms, either.

Bush will never be regarded as a great President.

..but I'll be damned if I'm not going to support him because motherfuckers on rapverse.com don't like him.

It's not that big of a deal to me.

i just think tho, that wen all is said and done........ esp. if Bush is assassinated, that they will try to glorify him alittle. Theyll say how he had to go through the tragedy of 9/11 and, in the face of danger, stood up against the terrorists and blah blah.... and than him getting asassinated would be like Lincoln getting assassinated while he was freeing the slaves...... except Bush will be killed while trying to defeat terrorism and "save" the iraqis by spreading democracy..... i can see it happening.... but not as long as there are democrats in the world

and btw...... altho shit is messed up in NO, i really dont put much blame on Bush except that he should have alot more people in there to help people out instead of in this war..... but i havent really found much other cause to totally blame this on him...... everyone knew as early as like wednesday or thursday that NO was next after FLorida.

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Lol. I could see that.

..But, I'm a Republican and all, but nobody will really buy into that. It happened on his watch, you can't twist that to make it look good.

I think its funny how most people say bush is bad, I will say bush is bad...but...cheney would be worse, yes, i think the response in new orleans is bad, it should be a lot smoother, but imagine it being under another dipshits rule......there should have been more troops there to calm things down, there should have been more effort into this whole mess, because now, you got people who are pissed and mad and hungry, who have to survivie the beaten path so to speak, who want answers, and bush, for one, hasnt been there during rough times to handle it.......hes a fucking idiot, who cant speak, either to himself or in public, i would just like to say, there should have been more done.....theres no reason why people should be starving and waiting to be rescued for 5 days....theres just no reason for it. bush is frightened. and he should be..and the fact that so many countries are donating money towards this catastrophe shoule be an awakening for him, that people care, instead of hating us right now, he should now understand that he should pull out of this so called war and end it, and continue working to save our own countries mess....

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You can't pull all of the military in Iraq out in a week or two.

It doesn't work like that.

I know..But, a catagory 5 hurricane, that everyone was talking about should have been on the list of priorities,but, i also think anyone else for the job would have been even worse. i just think thats what warnings are for, listen to hurricane people god damnit.....and think.....because lives are precious......bush didnt think.,its like he didnt think it would get like that...and i'm not trying to be mean toy ou here, i'm trying to understand

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It's like.. he actually thought most of the people would get out or something.

Jesus.. what was he thinking.

Yea man, and when i see him on tv(bush) and this whole thing, i gotta feel bad for the guy... what the fuck would anyone else do...the same thing,because how do you prepare for this shit? you just cant. and the days before it? People who chose to evacuate, left, and the people who chose to stay stay..stayed..so how do you make people listen in a time like that?Poor people stayed because THAT IS ALL THEY HAD.

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